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  • JimmyTimmyIU10 says:

    anyone know where the IU game will be showed? Central indiana is getting the purdue game on big 10. i have comcast. any help would be great. thanks

  • Btown Mom says:

    The BTN web site has it at

    The IU game is up in the 600s (maybe 620) on some Comcast. In Bloomington we’re getting it on the regular BTN channel – although the TV listings don’t show it to be there.

  • Btown Mom says:

    Try Channel 692 to get the IU-MSU game on some Comcast systems. (In Bloomington, it’s on the regular BTN channel.) The provides zip-specific channel information.

  • CB says:

    I am only getting purdue game on BTN in Bloomington, Comcast 692 is blank, Comcast is a joke

  • Btown Mom says:

    Hard to believe that Comcast can divide the town for channel allocation. But must be true. We’re close to campus and have IU on 64, as usual. Purdue is on 692, accessible only with the digital box, not the adapter.

  • gerry says:

    Why has Matt Perez been benched ?

  • t says:

    It is one thing to get beat all the time, but MacIU is just not competitive…unless you count 2 or 3 touchdown loss as competitive….outside of a few select seasons that is the whole tradition of IU football….Currently, I do not see any end in site…even if they would luck out against Purdue….I still see the same old IU.

  • Btown Mom says:

    Now getting Purdue game on Comcast 692 even with the digital adapter. Just took a little time for it to come on. IU remains on 64 in Bloomington near campus.

  • Chet says:

    Don’t try to find some conspiracy in every little thing. He might have diarrhea for all we know. Sheesh.

  • The Troof says:

    Bring Back Bill Lynch! This Wilson Guys a Clown. I hope Crean brings it this year. I’m tired of this downward spiral happening in Indiana Sports.

  • Crazy Animal says:

    Maybe they’re trying to get to get the first pick in the draft. Great job Wilson.

  • Big Richard But you can call me Dick says:

    Embarrassing. When are we going to submit our application to D2 college football so we can finally get a W. We don’t belong in D1

  • iuhoosier1992 says:

    Thank goodness basketball has started!

  • Hoosier heart says:

    I actually think IU has taken a step backward with Wilson from Lynch. We used to compete and win some games with the hope of being bowl eligible. Now, most people don’t even consider Indiana a D-1 level football program. If you look at the recruits coming, how can any reasonable person who follows college football think IU will get any better? I love IU, but I’m realistic too. If they get embarrassed by Purdue too, you can bet it will be a struggle to get more than 10k IU fans in the stands for next years home games.

  • Wisco says:

    There are many reasons for our lackluster football program, but one of the big ones is that we have fired coaches too quickly. The guy has basically dismantled the program and is building it, his way, from the ground up. In the end, he may fail. But, for the present time, and really for about two more years at least, I dont see the benefit of putting heat on him. We’re just as well to give him time and see what happens.

  • rico chet says:

    ^ Can somebody relay Wisco’s message to Coach Wilson and the IU Athletic Department? Please. Maybe then they will think of another catchy phrase instead of “Win Today!” for the ads. How about: “Stink Today, Win Tomorrow!”

  • IUKoolAid says:

    The young guys on offense give me hope, but it does feel a lot like Cam Cameron’s days as head coach. Big talk of changing the culture from a guy that’s never been in charge. Hey Coach Wilson, you didn’t inherit a team coming off the death penalty, and the facilities are now top notch. Win today? How about “get a three and out today”. How about “tackle someone today”?

  • Hooper says:

    It all started with that Husky Tom guy that wouldn’t shut up on the blogs with his “FIRE LYNCH NOW!” constant campaigning.
    And then we had Tsao’s manifesto proclaiming in 50,000 words per week that Wilson coming to IU was a godsend of unmatched proportion only rivaled by the invention of instant butterscotch Jello brand pudding.

    The geniuses sure seem silent of late.

  • Chet says:

    He didn’t inherit a team coming off the death penalty. He inherited a team assembled by Bill Lynch.

  • TsaoTsuG says:

    Wisco (Chet as well) seem to be the only two still using their heads. Coach Wilson has basically taken the program down to root level and is doing the only thing that makes any sense whatsoever…start all over from seed.

    I clearly remember thinking 3-4 years ago, “…too bad we don’t play Michigan State…”, they seemed to be that bad and wondering how long the MSU coach, Mark D’Antonio would last. If any of you can recall today’s MSU game, D’Antonio was facing and doing what coach Wilson is facing and undertaking now (only the MSU coach was in better shape than us at the early stages). In his first year D’Antonio he was 1-10.

    Today, the BTN also did a feature on Barry Alvarez who took over a Wisconsin program just as pathetic and just as impotent as the Hoosiers. He, then a successful top assistant, had to take his first Badgers team through through his own 1-10 first season. Few can touch Wisconsin today, after Alvarez passed the program off to his own top assistant. A similar story is true of Bill Mallory’s first couple of seasons here, IU’s only consistently winning years since WWII.

    IU has played this year with what is, realistically, a freshman team (6-9 months the players were high school kids whose voice was still cracking)against grown men, some of whom are getting ready to play in the NFL. The Big Ten hesitated a long time before allowing freshmen to play because the physical difference between men and boys is just that great. The Hoosiers need to go through this process if we are serious about creating a new culture.

    I understand, if we were mediocre it would be an improvement. But, if where I think we are is that we have identified someone who can teach us to compete, something we don’t know much about in football. I think, from all I’ve been able to see about his achievements as a coach, the school (in a tradition sense)he comes from he is the type of inspired, able and hardened individual we hope is around when a group of weak individuals needs to draw strength from a leader because it is nearly impossible it come from within. There are many hurdles Wilson faces, none greater than the fact that s a group (as frequently evidenced by many of the posts in this blog) we, the IU football fan community, are that weak.

    Since I want to live to enjoy the Hoosiers as a tough, respected, even feared football program, I’ll wait. Something I’ve seen before in strong leaders tells me that Wilson has a measure on the problem, has the vision and the character; and is strong enough to conquer it.

    In the meantime, I’ll stand aside. Other than my musings for entertainment purposes here, I’ll let him select talent and coach. I think there is nothing I can teach Wilson about coaching football or how to make a winner. Like with most IU fans, we don’t have a whole lot of experience at it.

  • Husky Tom says:

    ^ Can someone then explain the choice of words in Wilson’s ad: “Win Today!”

  • Husky Tom says:

    Also, quickly: how did the Husky break his leg raking leaves? (He fell out of the tree)

  • Andrew says:

    TTG, in addition to being a long-winded blowhard, you’re a liar. DANTONIO WAS NEVER 1-10. His first year at MSU, 2007, he was 7-6 and they went bowling. Nice try tho.

  • Wisco says:

    What did Kevin Wilson inherit?

    He inherited a program that has had maybe 10 decent seasons out of over 120, with probably only 5 of those being Top 25 teams. He inherited a program that hasn’t been ranked in 17 years. He inherited a program that has been the doormat of its conference as long as anyone can remember. He inherited a program that has been such a disappointment for such a long time, most students don’t bother to go to games and has lost generations of fans to more successful teams. He inherited a program that has vastly inferior talent than even the middle-of-the-pack teams in its league. He inherited a program that has never won 10 games in a season. As a matter of fact, this program has averaged taking about 3 seasons to win 10 games, or every 6 seasons if we’re talking conference games. He inherited a program that is regularly blown out by its arch rival, who holds a lead on the series of about 2-to-1. His program’s stadium is regularly taken over by other teams and their fans and mocked, laughed at and embarrassed. His program has stiff competition from elite programs to recruit the best kids in the state and is located in a state that traditionally does not have a lot of football talent. His program has to manufacture tradition. His program has to employ carnival gimmickry to try to sell tickets. He inherited a program who has defeated Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State, the elite of the league, about 5 times in the past 50 years. Yeah, that’d be approximately 5-105 or so. And I’ll leave it to the reader to guess how many of his program’s approximately 105 losses to those teams in that time were close games or absolute thrashings. The program he inherited has a reputation far and wide of being a gimme win for most teams in the conference. The stadium he inherited is one of the smallest in the league and is still rarely full, at least of its own fans. Not only do many IU fans become ambivalent, give up, find another team, or tune out until the day we’re worth watching, but also it’s often embarrassing to even talk about it. The program he inherited has basically had anomaly years of high achieving in 1945 and 1967, one sustained period of decent success from 1986-1994 and a mediocre team that had a nice year and a sentimental achievement a couple of years ago. Most of the rest has been failure. Often dismal failure. The program Kevin Wilson inherited is regarded as one of the worst, if not the worst, football programs in the country, certainly among BCS conferences.

    I could go on. While, yes, we are worse this year and that’s disappointing, I think expectations around here sometimes are a little crazy. The reason this program is a failure is because it always has been a failure. That is a very difficult thing to change. Similarly- and this shows how absurd it is to even compare the two- IU basketball went through an unprecedented debacle and had some down time but looks like it will recover nicely due to landing major talent. Talent that most schools, even some in our league, only dream of. On the flip side, in football we are the have-nots.

    I’m not saying this must be. I’m saying that beyond a few brief moments in time, it has been this way for over 120 years. Thus, really changing the program is going to take more than 1 season. And obviously with graduation (Chappell was huge for this team the past couple years) and the attrition of a coaching change being more than usual, he has decided to start by building his own foundation. 

    This isn’t about defending him. I want us to be successful more than anyone, but I don’t have any reason to stick up for him. He might be an utter failure as a head coach. But I guarantee we will always be a failure if we continue to fire coaches every other year.

    When people start crying, I can’t help but think, ‘what did you expect?’  Especially with an unknown brand new QB, among other things, I think the common thought was we’d win 3-5 games this year. We won 1. Maybe (doubtful, but screw Purdue) we’ll win 2. And this was with a coach taking a stand for people not following team rules, something that usually seems important around IU. It became clear at some point that he decided to get young players experience for the future. And, for what it’s worth, some Schembechler-Knight-Lombardi-Gen. Patton-Christ hybrid likely would not have won more than 4-5 games. I don’t know what it is about sports fans, and it seems like IU fans are particularly susceptible to this (maybe RMK’s influence and always getting the most out of sometimes slightly inferior players), but coaches can only do so much, you have to have the horses. Coaches often get too much credit when they win and too much grief when they lose. And, for what it’s worth, the hoops team would’ve sucked under Knight or anyone else these past couple years, for that reason.

    We are not just hiring a new coach like OSU is contemplating doing as we speak. Or even, sadly, Purdue transitioning to Hope. Or any average, middle of the pack team hiring a new coach. We are historically one of the worst programs in major college football. Fan support is weak. Money is a problem. Facilities are much better and should help, but came 10-20 years late. Competition is brutal, part of why it’s always been so hard to climb up. Recruiting competition is even more brutal. The list goes on.

    All I’m sayin is, if we want someone to build a legitimate Big Ten football team that can sustain success over a period of time and be relevant in the league and possibly beyond, we have got to invest in facilities and coaches and give them the time and opportunity to do it their way.  Best case scenario, we get what we want. Worst case, at some point we decide to try to find someone who, uh, likes a challenge, and we try again. But this changing direction every other year and having unreasonable expectations and second-guessing every detail is just ludicrous. 

    Besides, what do we have to lose?

  • Waitingforwins says:

    Tsao TsuG, I know this is just an internet message board, but you’d think you would at least use it to get you facts correct. Dantonio has never had a 1-10 season as a head coach, so quit pulling statistics out of your @$$ and stating them as facts.

    2007 Michigan State 7–6 3–5
    2008 Michigan State 9–4 6–2
    2009 Michigan State 6–7 4–4
    2010 Michigan State 11–2 7–1
    2011 Michigan State 9–2 6–1

    Are you still wondering how long Dantonio is going to last at Michigan State? All indications are he will be there longer than Wilson.

    Five years ago we kicked Sparty’s butt 46-21, and from the looks of it it will be a long time before we get to the level required to ever do it again.

    This is Wilson’s team and he is solely responsible for the product on the field. He was the one who decided to destroy this team, thinking it was better to not use what little talent we had on this team in the junior and senior classes and play underdeveloped and over matched underclassmen. If he had indicated this was his objective when he first arrived I would not have purchased season tickets. His “Win Today” motto actually had me believing that that was his intent. Now we have all learned that his “Win Today” mantra was nonspecific as to what day he planned to win. It certainly hasn’t been Saturday’s from September through November.

    I am very disappointed in the coaching exhibited by Wilson and his staff so far.

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