IU football scrimmage open to the public


Indiana coach Kevin Wilson announced via twitter on Friday that Saturday’s 11 a.m. spring football scrimmage will be open to the public, and of course, free. Gates will open at 10:30 a.m.

The spring game itself is April 14 and will kickoff at noon.

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47 comments:

  • Bob #1


    Friday, March 30, 2012 - 8:09 PM EDT

    who would show up?
    An I.U. grad in Florida!

  • davis #2


    Friday, March 30, 2012 - 9:25 PM EDT

    I would, except my parole officer probably won’t let me.

  • Dunbar #3


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 12:05 AM EDT

    Your parole officer should reconsider. An IU football scrimmage in April? Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

  • Dunbar #4


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 12:07 AM EDT

    Oops, make that March. Can’t wait for the spring game.

  • Mike P. #5


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 8:43 AM EDT

    The IU 5K & Mini Marathon is underway this morning, it starts between the two stadiums. Good luck getting there since the event doesn’t end till near 1:00.

  • KevinK #6


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 10:00 AM EDT

    I must admit that I usually try to stay positive with IU football for my sanity’s sake, BUT I am less optimistic about this team than any in the last ten years.

    Maybe with low expectations, I will be pleasantly surprised.

    Last season was a different kind of surprise.

    Not wasting a saturday though.

  • Podunker #7


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 3:59 PM EDT

    KevinK; but how can they be worse than last year’s team? Really, they’re not going to go to the Rose Bowl this year, but they have to be better than last year!

    Setting the sarcasm aside, how can IU football ever improve if the comments posted above are representative of the Hoosier Nation’s attitude toward football? We all know they’ve been bad for so long that it seems foolish to develop any expectations, but if we don’t, they’ll never get better.

    Who would want to become the head coach at IU with a fan base that has this attitude? What great HS football player would want to play for IU when comments like these represent too many people in the Hoosier nation? I’ve heard the argument, “IU is a BB school and will never be good in football.” But I also know that “a positive attitude is a force multiplier.”

    It’s “the chicken or the egg” argument. Many IU fans say, “I’ll get excited when IU starts to have winning seasons.” But some people believe that in order to have a winning football program, a lot more IU fans need to get excited.

    IU can be good in both basketball and football. Lots of lesser colleges around the country do it every year.

  • theo #8


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 5:56 PM EDT

    kinda off the subject I think Coach Crean got no respect no only from the AP but Coaches did too. What he has done at Indiana is one amazing and has taken everything he knows to get us back where we where before they meltdown of this program. I know other coaches work as hard as he does but where this program was and to where it is now. Is all because of Coach Crean. I know where he belongs and that is at the Top he deserves more respect than what he got and scratch my head do not know what people where watching this year.

  • TsaoTsuG #9


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 6:07 PM EDT

    I am really glad that, as we move on from a great, surprising, even inspirational basketball season, we are paying due attention to what will hopefully be a sea change to the Hoosier football program. I hope that the sharing of insights begins with the spring program and lots of detail on how Coach Wilson is teaching his systems, how they are developing individual players, how assistant coaches are doing their instruction (beginning with trying to bring some clarity to how defensive backs should cover their receivers and the proper techniques to be used- not an insignificant argument left over from last year. I strongly feel analysis of this type would be better and perhaps more challenging for us readers than pointlessly speculating (and in some cases starting a rumor mill) as to which players may, could, hope, will be forced to, will be shamed into. will sadly, will discover that recruiting talk is just that as they are disillusioned…into leaving the Hoosiers. Perhaps, it is a matter we can leave to the evaluating abilities, judgment, intelligence, good nature, noble loyalty, ethics, sense of honor and integrity of Coach Crean and his staff (absolutely no sarcasm, I mean every word in this sentence).

    I would also be very happy if we did not sensationalize nor yellow the issue with the intent of inventing an excitement that would artificially promote interest and, perhaps, speculative reader interest based on little other than guessing and hyping at the issue.

    Besides the renewal of coverage of the gridiron Hoosiers, I was glad to see the baseball game coverage. It also appears that the Hoosiers have an excellent Track and Field…an outstanding triple jumper, excellent sprinters, good middle and very, very good long distance runners. They achieved great things in indoor season and, apparently are considered among the top teams nationally with some of the individuals performing at Olympic team levels. It would be a fantastic thing if we knew more about these individuals, who they are, what their times and distances mean, hhow they are training, why they came to IU, what they see as their goals and objective…etc.

    Finally, spring season also means soccer, a sport in which Hoosiers are a national elite power with hopes to add to all-time numbers in terms of Big Ten and NCAA competition. Hoosiers are proud of this program. The usual bias about our state being ‘provincial’ and ‘unsophisticated’ and inbred was laid bare as Indiana led the rest of the country in establishing a second-to-none program in the clearly world’s most popular sport. No inward, narrow hicks are we, a disillusioning fact to many but clearly established as soccer grew into one of the state’s most popular competitive sports.

    So…we would hope we follow Indiana soccer, Track and Field just as intensely as other basketball, football, and, of course the sport which is so traditional to us Americans, baseball. I realize that in many other state’s the education of breadth and depth of sports is neither instinctive nor well taught, but HT writers are a talented, curious and thinking bunch who will look at all of IU sports and learn and take interest in those in which they may not be so expert because of the narrow mindedness they may have faced in other not so sophisticated states.

    I so look forward to a Hoosier Scoop column that satisfies the hunger of a worldly Hoosier following for all things sport. Thank your for your interest in ours and for dedicating the sport section column inches to our hunger, excitement and love for our diverse and intense Hoosier culture.

  • TsaoTsuG #10


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 6:22 PM EDT

    For those of you who follow all-things Hoosier top-notch athletes, some outstanding national and likely Olympic level athletes posted great times and distances at the nationally re-known Texas Relays and the Mike Poehlein Invitational (West Lafayette) on Friday. Olu Olamigoke bettered 51 feet in the triple jump and Dan Galos neared the fifth hammer thrower in IU history to surpass 60 meters, adding a stunning 13 feet and five inches to his career best.

    Another IU triple jumper, Rex Parker took sixth in the competition with a career best 15.40m (50-6.25), ranking him 12th in NCAA Division I. These two Hoosiers rank 1-2 in the Big Ten. Kind Butler ran the 100 meters in 10.42 and his time ranks second in the Big Ten this season.

  • TsaoTsuG #11


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 6:39 PM EDT

    Theo, I’d rather go back to Podunker’s excellent point. rather than see the bitter. We know what a monumental jump the round-ball Hoosiers took this year and we celebrate their accomplishments and Coach Crean and staff’s brilliance in putting it together and bringing us along.

    Don’t let the AP, ESPN or other hype machines get to you. Think about the interests behind their opinions, polls and hyperactivity. I find their shallowness obvious, transparent and cute.

    Now, as Podunker suggested, (his are as good an example of intelligent, enthusiastic yet sober, demanding and knowledgeable posts as you’ll see in the web), it’s time we do the same with football. We (mostly) feel we have the right man(Coach Wilson), he’s recruiting talent according to his vision, specification and gives us every reason for getting ourselves involved in bringing about an equally satisfying, honestly competitive program establishing IU as a model competitive sports program that does things the right way, supports all sports and spends no time whining…in other words, Hoosiers!

  • Chet #12


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 8:52 PM EDT

    Speaking of basketball, while it would be a stretch to say we are the second best team in the country we are, without a doubt, the toughest match up for Kaintuck.

  • Teter84 #13


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 9:52 PM EDT

    I remember the excitement the football brought to campus under Coach Mallory. We would have unrealistic expectations for the team going to a major bowl. But that was part of the fun of following the football program. It was a great way to lead into the basketball season. I want November – December excitement of football & basketball back on campus again!

    I believe in Coach Wilson and his staff to make the football program into something we will be proud of again. I liked the way the team didn’t quit at the end of the year. I expect this team to win 5-6 games next year. I also expect them to improve the in year 3 and beyond to where they become a Iowa type program. There is no reason why our football team can’t achieve this goal!

  • Chet #14


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 10:17 PM EDT

    Remember when Indiana played in the national title game?

    OK, it takes a little extrapolation.

    In 1984 BYU beat the sixth place team in the Big Ten, Michigan, to complete an undefeated season and take home the national championship.

    In 1979 an undefeated BYU team took on the 4th place Big Ten team, Indiana, in the Holiday Bowl. Despite being 8 point underdogs the Hoosiers bested the Cougars 38-37.

    The 1979 national champ was the 1 loss Alabama Crimson Tide. Back in the day it was all about your record, not your schedule. As demonstrated in 1984, had BYU bested the Hoosiers they would have, in all likelihood, have been named the national champs.

    So…in 1979 Indiana played in the game that determined the national championship.

    How about that.

  • Chet #15


    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 10:28 PM EDT

    Actually, that was the second time. They also played #1 USC and O. J. Simpson in the Rose Bowl.

    How many schools have played in 2 national title games?

  • Dustin Dopirak #16


    Sunday, April 1, 2012 - 6:29 PM EDT

    Tsao,
    I see that you’re trying to be complementary and such, so I will refrain from launching into a passionate defense of the “not-so-sophisticated state” of Pennsylvania.
    Basketball is always going to rule and football gets the fall, and I don’t not cover the other sports because I don’t understand them or respect them or don’t think they matter. I just know where my bread is buttered. But spring frees me up a little bit because there isn’t the same constant grind of keeping up with the two main beats. There will be track coverage and such, but to hold you over, I will post links to the track features we ran last year before you had a subscription so as to fulfill your hunger and worldliness and such.

    The first on Andy Bayer
    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/01/26/iusports.qp-8111162.sto

    On Derek Drouin
    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/03/15/iusports.qp-5784063.sto

    On Faith Sherrill
    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/05/11/iusports.qp-8944882.sto

    On DeSean Turner
    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/06/06/iusports.qp-4746286.sto

    Another from this year on Andy Bayer
    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2012/03/08/iusports.qp-8091011.sto

  • TsaoTsuG #17


    Sunday, April 1, 2012 - 8:15 PM EDT

    DD- You don’t need to convince me of the ‘sophistication’ of the state of Pennsylvania. To its credit the Germanians were one of the early and most solid soccer teams in the US, even before the 1970 surge of soccer as one of America’s most widely played games. Few individuals in sports have even come close to being able to equal the great Walter Bahr, Penn State’s coach for decades (a good friend of mine). However, I do feel that Indiana as a state and its State university, IU are indeed leaders in creating a cosmopolitan culture equaled by few.

    DD- Wow,…”I just know where my bread is buttered”. So sorry and saddened to hear that the belief limits you. I, for one- and because I was a journalist as well-, always enjoyed learning, exploring, discovering and working towards understanding, absorbing and becoming proficient in what I didn’t know and thought I may not particularly enjoy. I found exploring all sides of culture so enabling.

    Yes,…sports is an important part of a culture, that makes rounding worthwhile. When I moved to this country as a kid, I had never, ever, ever seen a baseball game. At first it seemed slow and boring and beyond understanding. It was big in New York, where I first played it on the roof of a big parking garage. If you hit a foul ball, we had to chase the ball three floors down the ramps. A home run? well…we played for hitting it on the ground or the game was over.

    As I got interested I discovered intricacies about baseball that opened up a whole new world to be interested in.(The first time I hit the ball I got called out because I slid into first while still carrying the bat and used it to shove the first baseman out of the way). But, understanding it and liking it was slow. Still, learning was fun in our days. Today, from March until normally, mid-September (explanation-I’m a huge Cub fan, so it is a shorter season than others)), it is an every day mandate.

    The way I see it DD, the bread is buttered in the entirety of the Hoosier programs. I have followed IU roundball since the days of Branch Mc Cracken, through the great and only Bob Knight, and now Tom Crean; football since Phil Dickens, the great John Pont and Bill Mallory…it is all Hoosier. And, like other Hoosiers,the pride of the greatest program in the history of national, international and Olympic swimming, the greatest coaching legend and genius in the history of the sport, James ‘Doc’ Counsilman, diving coach Hobie Billingsley- Ours! IU! Hoosiers!. The best soccer program in the history of U.S. intercollegiate soccer and Jerry Yeagley- Ours! IU! Hoosiers!!-more national champs than I can actually recall (6 or 7) and now his son (we all watched him grow up)a former IU player Todd Yeagley. The great names of track and field, and cross country James Lavery, Bill Perrin; wrestling under Charlie Mc Daniels and Doug Blubaugh; tennis (Bill Landis?); gymnastics (Otto Ryser?); and of course, now and hopefully a resurgence and rise to national prominence of baseball.

    Interestingly,…Being a Hoosier opened my taste for sports other than those I knew as a child. Never even thought about which activities actually buttered my bread in my role as a journalist. Always thought it was my job and was expected to be open, to expand my interests and grow and learn even about those things I did not know nor (at the time) thought I liked so well. Learn, find the gusto and the passion in it and share it with my readers so they could grow as I grew, learn as I learned and love life and become curious as I became curious. It would have been sad any other way and only… just a job… after all. Not much fun to just and only bread and butter every day.

    Yesterday, I went to the Art Institute (of Chicago). Someone had said something about the way different artists treat the subject of light in their paintings (Monet or the Spaniard Sorolla) for example. Until I did so specifically to see that, I was not even close to aware of how intricate their use of colors and hues of white to simulate light and shadows separates one from another. It is so…alive!…to learn, even at 70. (I really think I want to figure out what cricket, the sport, is all about. I do so for the worse of reasons, I never bothered nor wanted to before…sad, isn’t it?

    It would be a big loss to us readers if you DD felt restricted (by the need to nourish your body) to football, basketball and that so American of sports (Cubans, Dominicans, Mexicans, Japanese, Koreans, Nicaraguans love it too) alone. For our sake as readers, and because you are insightful and a good writer, I hope you take the time to expand your vision beyond just hunger.

    (BTW- Just after I wrote the comment you answered hoping I would be able to read good provoking pieces on ‘developments’ of spring football, I was happy to see a really great, deep and fun article by Andy Graham (he seems to do that a lot and really enjoy it)on the changes he saw and the infusion of new players as well as the progress by old ones. I had also read a couple of pretty good ones earlier written by you and which now only add to mystifying me about your response).

  • Chet #18


    Sunday, April 1, 2012 - 8:20 PM EDT

    We have some lovely Germanians in the yard. I expect they will bloom early this year.

  • TsaoTsuG #19


    Sunday, April 1, 2012 - 11:28 PM EDT

    Chet- You prove my point…we Hoosiers are not merely barbarian meat and potato guys…we love all sports, have an appreciation for poetry, are lovers of art, seduced by music and enthralled by a simple flower. Go Hoosier!

  • TsaoTsuG #20


    Sunday, April 1, 2012 - 11:33 PM EDT

    Chet- Before I forget, please do not forget to up load a picture of the Germanian when it blossoms. I will center it in a collage with a picture of Watford’s shot, Bob Knight, Tom Crean and the Hoosier fans rushing on court.

  • Dustin Dopirak #21


    Sunday, April 1, 2012 - 11:48 PM EDT

    Tsao,
    Take it easy on the grandiosity and idealism. You know what I meant. My primary job at this paper is to cover the Indiana men’s basketball team. Football is the second most important thing and the time for expanding the horizons comes when those are in the offseason. That’s not being narrow-minded. It’s just understanding one’s assignment and position. I didn’t mean that from a financial perspective. I don’t get paid extra by the basketball story. I mean that’s what I was hired for, that’s what my employers expect, and for that matter, that was the draw. August through March it’s nose to the grindstone. After that you come up for air, look around and smell the roses a bit and try to do something different. Don’t act like you don’t know how this business works. If they hire you to cover cops, you cover cops. If they hire you to cover basketball, you cover basketball. Move outward when you can, but don’t forget what you’re there for.

  • Lord of the Genteel #22


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 4:00 AM EDT

    I’ll never forget the day a rather plain and uncomplicated young journalist named Dustin from the “not so sophisticated” state of Pennsylvania first arrived in the worldly village Bloomington. I believe Dustin once offered a retelling of the story on Scoop..He told of how JPat(exhibiting a certain flair of refinement by wearing a yellow baseball cap instead of his favorite red and white with the Hoosier logo), a mere passerby strolling the streets of B-town with a small collection his understated genteel friends, decided to take the time and extend a warm welcome and invitation to show DD an his family the cultural mecca that is IU.

    It’s all rather inspiring and uplifting. If I recall correctly, Dustin said they all went out for pancakes later that morning at the Uptown Cafe…or was it IHOP?

    Here’s the the old link to the original Scoop story.

  • HT #23


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 7:44 AM EDT

    ^Rich in humor, Lord of the Hillbillies. I totally forgot about that scene from Witness. Who was the rough-and-tumble bully that harassed the Amish JPat? Was it Tsao? Laffy? Chet?

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #24


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 8:16 AM EDT

    Nice. The bully is JPat..Dustin is Harrison Ford. Did you notice Viggo Mortensen riding as one of the Amish passengers in the first carriage? I never picked that up in my previous viewings/postings of this clip. One of my favorite actors…It must have been one of his first roles as an extra.

    Note: Tsao(a.k.a. Dave Stoller) is actually found in a different clip from 1970s Bloomington. More cycling coverage!

  • Chet #25


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 8:48 AM EDT

    HT, I don’t ALWAYS look that good but it is a flattering likeness.

    Geoff, I didn’t see all of it but I did see that sick alley oop over the head dunk. He made it look like a lay up on an 8 foot goal, too. Easy peasy.

  • Chet #26


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 9:00 AM EDT

    I’ve never understood how neither Steve Tesich , Mark Cuban, Kevin Kline, ‘Papa’ John Schnatter (from high school) or any of the other people I only one or two degrees of separation from have not seen fit to bring me into their inner circle with a lovely face like that.

    I DID run into Harry Anderson (Night Court) the other day. It turns out he runs a magic shop (no surprise there) in Asheville. Small world.

  • Dustin Dopirak #27


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 2:50 PM EDT

    Deleted three posts on this. Just wanted to say there was nothing out of line about them, but just didn’t want to add fuel to the fire.

  • TsaoTsuG #28


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 3:15 PM EDT

    Well, that’s always a way to deal with it. My suggestion about wider posting still stands, perhaps as editor and blog master you could ask some of the other writers to contribute to The Hoosier Scoop- The Latest News In Hoosier Sports.

    It’s clear you are offended, but mine was merely a request. I follow soccer, yet the last post in Hoosier Scoop was in November of 2011. I follow Track and Field, yet the last post was on June 11, 2011. I follow IU swimming and diving, yet the last post on this world re-known Hoosier program was in 2010…

    Whether you believe it or not, it is not my intent to insult you. It is my intent to lobby for more analysis and interest items to Hoosier sports including the three you cover, but adding some that are of great interest to all Hoosiers. I hope that as blog master and editor you’ll address this and do so with the view that Hoosier Scoop should feature all sports Hoosier. I believe mine is a very legitimate request.

  • Jay Gregg #29


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 4:20 PM EDT

    Walter Bahr coached at Penn State for 15 years, does that count as decades? If he was a good friend of mine I would not make such a statement.

  • TsaoTsuG #30


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 5:21 PM EDT

    Of course, you are right about the length of his head coaching career at Penn State; 14 years to be exact. He coached at Temple before that and ‘AAU soccer’ in the Philadelphia area(just like basketball, soccer was big on industrial teams in that era).

    Walter also gave the pass that Joe Gaetjens put in the net for the US against England in the 1950 World Cup, in what many still consider the greatest upset in the history of World Cup Soccer. Another friend on that team, Harry Keough who coached St. Louis U. the dominant soccer team until IU’s emergence, an absolutely great and beautiful man passed on only weeks ago. My son still remembers staying up listening to both their stories. BTW, Gaetjens, a Haitian refugee who returned to his native country after the 1950 world cup, disappeared; or likely was disappeared there by the Haitian dictator ‘Papa Doc’ Duvalier.

    Thanks for your correction. It seemed like decades. No reason to be angry, I enjoy and respect your posts even when we don’t agree (which isn’t frequent). And, I do appreciate having it pointed out when I err (it’s like learning something new).

    BTW, a group of us got together nearly every summer. Pele’s trainer and coach, Julio (‘The Professor’)Mazzei was the ‘leader’. Professor was a coach with Santos when this spindly little 16 y.o. (or so) kid nicknamed Pele broke into first division. Also, long time (don’t remember if it was decades or not) Long Island University (another national power) soccer coach Arnie Ramirez and Professor’s friend Miguel de Lima. Professor later coached Pele when soccer broke into the American consciousness with the New York Cosmos.

    Those of us now left and ‘Professor’s daughter Marjorie and Brazilian goal keeper Miguel de Lima (everything centered around Marjorie and her mom, (called ‘Mommie’ by all of us)have been thinking of having one last reunion this May for a U.S. game in Giants stadium (vs. Argentina). These are all people that kept the game alive in the US, before it took off and very much worth knowing. Harry (Keough), for instance, worked every day of his life as a postman to sustain his family and keep the dream of soccer in the US alive. Both Bahr’s kids (all three boys) and Harry’s were All-Americans, and two played in the NFL and won Super Bowl rings.

    Hope to keep reading you Jay Gregg.

  • Dustin Dopirak #31


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 6:08 PM EDT

    Tsao,
    I’m not offended and I actually do have a lot of respect for your opinion. You just get a little preachy sometimes particularly when you try to show off your worldliness and you start dropping names and knowledge that doesn’t progress to an end in the conversation, but simply serves as a means for you to tell everyone how much you know. On those occasions, I find it necessary to tweak you just to lower the height of your horse so that the conversation can occur on a level plane.
    “Editor and blog master” is definitely over-selling my job. I don’t have an editorial role at the paper at all and I certainly don’t have a managerial role by which I dole out assignments or hire stringers. Everyone here except for me has intense high school coverage responsibilities and I don’t have the power to pull them off of those to cover IU Olympic sports.
    There is also the issue of the logistics of covering most Olympic sports and being able to honestly provide good analysis. Soccer and baseball are among those sports in which there is a constant rotation of home and away games so they are relatively easy to cover. However, sports that have “meets” (i.e. track, swimming, etc.) tend to be relatively low on home competitions and in most cases, those competitions have little bearing on the narrative of the season. The results of in-season competitions have no effect on end-of-the-year conference and regional meets, which are usually sited by some form of rotation and only occasionally occur in Bloomington. Point being, it’s very difficult to do true beat work on such sports because it’s very that a reporter would have an occasion to actually watch them anyway, and even more rare to see them in an event that actually matters.
    So when we can — and when we’re not bogged down by the business of covering football and men’s basketball — we do personality profiles and such for the paper, which are behind the pay wall but always linked here. Plus, we always print the releases from IU sports info on the events we don’t cover and those are also linked here. That was why I provided you with said features to show that, yes we do write stories about sports other than basketball and football. We can’t do it all the time, but when we do, I think we do a pretty solid job with it.
    The point of my argument is that I get what you’re saying and agree to an extent but because of the logistics of the situation, can only placate your desires on this to a certain degree.

  • Laffy #32


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 6:29 PM EDT

    A “little” preachy?

    He’s worse than Pat Robertson.

    And since you yanked my post for giving you props, are you going to yank their props when they give each props when they rip me?

  • Dunbar #33


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 7:44 PM EDT

    Dustin, please don’t stoop to Tsao’s level by responding in novel-like fashion. He has hijacked this blog and made it utterly unreadable with his beyond long-winded grandstanding (and yes, I realize commenting on him is exactly what he wants; sorry, can’t help it). You do a fine job, and for him to act like the “bread/buttered” statement is up to interpretation is obtuse at best. Two sports pay for all the others, and it’s only been this way forever. You’d think a man of the world such as himself wouldn’t need anyone else to help quench his thirst for soccer, track and field, and the like.

  • Chet #34


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 11:00 PM EDT

    Laffy, it’s hilarious that you think people pick on you. I usually just skip over your posts as, I’m sure, most people do. Nobody ‘rips’ you. It’s all in your head.

  • HT #35


    Monday, April 2, 2012 - 11:24 PM EDT

    Dustin (#31) and Dunbar (#33): very enjoyable and well-written responses.

    I know it’s just another opinion amongst the many, but I personally have zero interest in reading coverage of college level Olympic sports. Individual sports are hard enough to follow as it is, even at the highest level of competition. Take it down a few levels to the college scene, and it’s like watching paint dry – unless you happen to have a personal connection to one of the participants. If you want coverage of this stuff, go to the Hoosier Hype. You will quickly see how good intentions to give balanced coverage to each sport ends up diluting the overall reading experience for all but a few eccentric aficionados.

  • TsaoTsuG #36


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 12:00 AM EDT

    DD had you written exactly and no more than what you wrote now, I would not have written my comments. Easy to understand and truthfully, I had not given much thought to the problem of the logistics of following teams to the Penn and Texas Relays…etc. With your initial comments “bread buttered…”, I really thought that some sports were being dismissed out-of-hand. I should have known better.

    You also explained something else I wondered about, the verbatum reproduction of press releases (generally an absolute no-no in large dailies). Your explanation is very logical. Wished (for my sake) you had given it before, since I do understand the issue of personnel limitations. My bad. Maybe even very bad. When I have questions (or comments) of this type I should (and will) address them through direct email rather than in the blog. Apologies as merited.

  • Dustin Dopirak #37


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 1:12 AM EDT

    Tsao,
    Apologies accepted. And I’ve been derelict in response to e-mails in general lately, including yours, so apologies on my end.
    The use of the press releases differs on the situation. I rarely actually write those up for the paper, so I’m not certain exactly how they edit the releases they get from stuff we didn’t cover. At my last paper, we usually got the box scores and produced our own briefs from them without really looking at the sports information briefs. As far as putting releases on here, that’s usually only a first step to get the story immediate exposure to the audience while doing the reporting to produce something deeper or it’s a story that doesn’t necessarily require full reporting. (i.e. news on ticket availability or broadcast information, if of course said information is not controversial) when there’s simply nuts and bolts information that needs to get out but doesn’t require depth of reporting.
    Thanks for understanding.

  • Dustin Dopirak #38


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 1:44 AM EDT

    HT,
    It depends on what you’re into. Despite my back and forth with Tsao, I actually like watching track and field a lot more than the average person. At my last paper I had a lot more high school responsibility and I was actually excited when I got to cover state track every year. Last year IU hosted NCAA East Regionals. It was somewhat boring because you couldn’t “Win” anything, just qualify, but watching a track full of people running 10-second 100s is pretty amazing.
    As far as Hoosier Hype is concerned, you just have to realize that that’s the college newspaper model. You don’t pay anybody a real salary so you can put together about as big of a staff as you want and you have to figure out what to do with them. So you assign everybody a beat. That’s how you learn and that’s how you prove yourself. Sometimes a particular team gets overcovered simply because there’s an ambitious freshman on the beat who’s trying to make a name for himself. My freshman year at Penn State I was turning in 2,000-word features on women’s cross country runners and men’s lacrosse players . Sophomore year Korman and I did a full-page blowout on our mid-season All-Big Ten women’s volleyball team. Yes, you read that right. Might have been crazy, but we got football junior year, so that was pretty much all that mattered to us.

  • Chet #39


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 6:13 AM EDT

    HT, I understand your sentiments. Watching someone you know is exciting, strangers not son much, at least in some sports. I can watch good wresting all day, track and field wears me down when my daughter isn’t competing.

    It depends on the sport, though. Volleyball is very exciting and I’ll just stay away from the attire issue. I start to lose interest in baseball if it’s a pitcher’s duel. I only watched IU soccer when the game was immediately after a football game but I enjoyed it.

    There is a certain beauty to non revenue sports, though. A purity if you will.

  • HT #40


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 9:47 AM EDT

    @Chet-

    I truly wish I could enjoy a sport for the “purity” factor. Unfortunately, to me these days,
    “purity” = boredom.

    I think it’s tied to the question of how we value college in this
    country as a core part of our identity. Success in the big sports means bragging rights; when IU is great in basketball, each one of us goes around with a little bounce in our step and somehow we feel like we are better/happier people because of it.
    On the other hand, I don’t necessarily walk around with my head held high when IU wins a track meet. (By the way, I agree that volleyball is an awesome sport; the sixes game doesn’t interest me as much as the beach game)

  • Hoosier Clarion #41


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 10:12 AM EDT

    DD, After reading through this thread I think the best course of action is for you to continue do as you damn well please. It is certainly why you were hired. A simple review of all the traffic on this blog reveals the model you and your contemporaries have developed is popular and working well. If I wish to follow the sports of binge eating, paper airplane aviation or stone skipping I(as most anyone else on here)am resourceful enough to figure out where to find it.

  • Laffy #42


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 10:38 AM EDT

    Chet—-You need to get your lips off HH’s butt if you think “no one” rips me.

    He does it all the time….as does TT and others.

    Including you.

    Hell, I see my name in threads I’m not even posting in.

    You girls need to get over your obsession about me.

  • Chet #43


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 10:55 AM EDT

    HT, so much of the interest is regional, of course. At Iowa, Cornell, Oklahoma State, etc., wrestling is bigger than basketball. On the west coast volleyball is huge.

    What is a revenue sport depends, to some extent, on where you are.

  • HT #44


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 11:31 AM EDT

    Chet- this is true to some degree. Let me say this, however: I went to a PAC 10 school. Also grew up rooting for UCLA. Brother went to UCLA, mom went to Cal, cousin to ASU. Whe coley all it certainly bigger on the west coast, it is still by far a niche sport, and you will NEVER find illegally news displacing basketball, football, or even baseball news, you will also never see people trash-talking or planning parties around a volleyball matchup. You will also rarely ever hear this line:”hey bartender, can you change the channel to the track meet?”

    I don’t think there’s any shame in acknowledging which sports rule the roost country-wide. Heck, with 4 major sports this country already has 4 times as many as most of the rest of the world.

  • HT #45


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 11:33 AM EDT

    Ok, 4th line should read “While volleyball…”

    I’m turning off auto fill.

  • Podunker #46


    Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 11:59 AM EDT

    Is that what they call a “persecution complex?”

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