Davis No. 107, Hartman No. 110 and Fischer No. 134 in latest Rivals 2013 rankings

Rivals.com just updated it’s Class of 2013 rankings. Indiana commitment and Warren Central forward Devin Davis tops the Hoosiers-to-be at No. 107. Cathedral’s Collin Hartman is No. 110 and Luke Fischer of Germantown (Wis.) is No. 134. Check out the whole list here.

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  • Laffy says:

    Our highest rated kid is only # 107 while the class is full and we have other top kids interested?


  • Bill says:

    I agree with Laffy. Big drop off from the 2012 class to the 2013 class and if guys leave early, and free up space, our talent pool will get smaller.

  • Ed says:

    Hartman and Davis are ranked higher than Oladipo and Sheehey were, and look how they turned out. Fans just need to trust Coach Creen.

  • Macca says:

    You can’t have a team full of 4 & 5-star players without risking too much attrition. Our 2013 commits are strong role players, if not more depending on how they develop. If we bring in other high-level kids along with Lyles in 2014, then we reload our talent and maintain a balance.

  • Laffy says:

    No one is saying you need a team “full” of those guys.

    I just wish Crean wasn’t taking such early commits from kids that aren’t ranked that high.

    What’s the rush?

  • Chet says:

    Are you dissatisfied?

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    Coach Crean has proved to me he can do whatever the hell he wants when evaluating, recruiting and offering a ride. He owns my proxy.

  • Geoff says:

    Call me crazy but Crean seems to have a certain craftiness for identifying and cultivating recruits (especially wings) that aren’t top flight, top-50 type prospects…

    Dwayne Wade – recruited by only 3 D1 schools, ranked out of top 100 in 2002

    Wes Matthews – #85 recruit by Rivals’ rankings in 2005, and the #28 SG in the class

    Lazar Hayward – #73 ranked recruit in class of 2006 by Rivals

    Steve Novak – 16th ranked PF in class of 2002, ranked in 60’s by most services

    And those are just the guys he’s sent to the NBA.

    We have seen the progress so far from Dipo and Sheehey…

    Maybe that’s why you’ll have a hard time drumming up panic with guys like Davis and Hartman. He also hasn’t stuck his neck out on lower ranked recruits in 2014, with the exception of Bluiett, and his early offers for 2015 and 2016 are on blue chips.

  • TsaoTsuG says:

    Good way to say it HC.

    I also question why we should even consider giving up that proxy to “the services” who are most vulnerable to high school coaches and colleges where they need access and subscriptions.

  • Just to offer some perspective here on the timing issue, remember that Devin Davis and Collin Hartman came on in the middle of a wave. They were after Zeller, before Yogi. The team was coming off 10-21 and was heading for 12-20, but there was this feeling that they were taking over the state. At that point, Hartman was coming off a very strong summer and seemed like he might be the best player in the state in that class, and Davis had established himself as one of the better ones. There was very much this sense of momentum, and you sort of have to wonder if, say, refusing to take their commitments would’ve slowed that down. Crean was taking some heat about not getting players from the state but he was proving it wrong in a very big way all at once. I know you guys don’t want to hear this word again, but that was why they called it The Movement. They really didn’t mean it just for that class even though we sort of assigned it to them. It just sort of all happened at once with Zeller being in the middle of it.
    I don’t say that to suggest that Hartman and Davis will not pan out, because I think they will at the very least serve a purpose and could very well develop into starters on tournament teams. It’s quite possible that if Crean could’ve seen the future and knew that he’d have a Sweet 16 in his pocket this summer, he might not have taken those two and might have gone after bigger fish. But I think to evaluate his decision to take those commitments, you have to look at where he was at the time they gave them and I think the timing very much factored in.

  • Diehard says:

    Ratings add a kind of meat-market interest to the discussion — look how high this one jumps! look how long this one’s arms are! — but they are almost entirely worthless when it comes to predicting productivity on the court. Like many others here, I remember the 1989 class, the two most highly rated members of which were Lawrence Funderburke, a top-10 type talent, and Pat Graham, Indiana’s Mr. Basketball. Funderburke flopped at IU, then transferred to Ohio State. Graham had a solid but unspectacular career as a role player. In the meantime, Calbert Cheaney, the least heralded member of the group due to a foot injury his junior year, became national player of the year.

    More recently, compare the fate of Christian Watford and Maurice Creek to that of Victory Oladipo and Will Sheehey. Watford and Creek were both top-50ish, Sheehey and Oladipo top-100ish, but at least through their sophomore years, Oladipo and Sheehey have been far more productive. Had Creek stayed healthy things would obviously be different, but he didn’t, and thats how things go.

    Not to say that I think the 2013 class will be great, or even good, just to say that rankings are irrelevant. I will admit I wish the players showed a bit more athleticism, but like others I have stopped questioning Crean. Some of his recruits will work and some will not, but overall things look very bright to me.

  • Laffy says:

    Pat Graham was hampered by injuries the entire time at IU so I don’t think it’s fair to say he “didn’t pan out” in that context.

    Does Crean have a great eye for talent? Sure.

    But that doesn’t mean he’s ALWAYS right and that we need to keep our mouths shut and never express an opinion.

  • Oldguy says:

    If you spell “its” correctly, you will appear more literate. You can think of “his” and “hers” lacking apostrophes, and “its” following that pattern. “It’s” is the contraction for “it is”. Just a friendly reminder.

  • Chet says:

    Uh…that’s how he used it.

    “I don’t think it’s fair” is merely a contracted form of “I don’t think it is fair.”

  • Laffy says:

    Oldguy = destroyed moron

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    Sweet 16, and to say he has not done all things right is hard to swallow. In fact the S#16 run signifies that he did and on a fast track schedule. Bet heavily these commits and the JUCO baller pan out also.

  • Laffy says:

    No, he hasn’t done “all” things right as we got killed in a couple games we shouldn’t have.

    And we’re over-signed by one, meaning someone is going to have to leave that probably doesn’t want to go.

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    Sweet 16 proves different.

  • Laffy says:

    No it doesn’t, Gomer.

    It proves we got to the Sweet 16….and that’s it.

    It doesn’t prove he’s done “everything” right.

    Hell, Davis got us to the Title game and MOST “fans” STILL crucified the guy.

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    Fife, Odle, Coverdale, Moye had more to do with that.

  • Laffy says:


    You re-tard racists crack me up.

    The WHITE coaches get ALL the credit but the BLACK coach gets ZERO.

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    2 HC jobs, 2 firings. He is 0-2. Not hard to understand perform or be gone.

  • Laffy says:

    What does that have to do with the FACT you rednecks REFUSE to give Davis ANY credit for getting to the Title game?

    Oh, and if Bobby hadn’t quit mid-season, he probably would have been fired twice too.

    How many times has his worthless son been fired from coaching?

  • Chet says:

    Laffy, not that I care but one of the keystones of communication is everything that follows name calling is completely invalidated.

    So…you can be persuasive or you can call names but you can’t do both.

    Suit yourself.

  • Laffy says:

    Who made you God to make that rule?

    I’ll tell you what “invalidates” discussion:

    Hypocrisy by racist hillbillies.

    You lose.

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