Dougherty becomes IU’s third commitment


Obviously, this has made the rounds, but just so it’s on here, Indiana added its third commitment for the 2013 class on Saturday. Patrick Dougherty, a 6-foot-5, 250-pound lineman from Aurora, Ohio, picked the Hoosiers over Ohio University as well as offers from Cincinnati and Boston College. More on this later.

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  • Podunker #1


    Monday, July 9, 2012 - 1:27 PM EST

    It appears that KW and staff are doing a good job recruiting bigger players (relative to their predecessors). You have to love Dougherty’s size at the age of 17 (6’5″ and 250 lbs.).

    Looking forward to seeing this recruiting class of 2013 come together.

  • t #2


    Monday, July 9, 2012 - 1:50 PM EST

    Could be a very good pick up. Go MacIU.

  • BeatPurdue #3


    Monday, July 9, 2012 - 3:25 PM EST

    Why would the HT list Ohio U as a scholarship offer before Boston College and Cincinnati? It is not based on the college’s football reputation, it is not alphabetical, why? It appears to reinforce the “old” idea that IU only recruits MAC players. However, Boston College is ACC and Cincinnati is Big East. I find this order troubling. If IU Basketball landed a recruit would anyone say that he was considering “Evansville, but also offers from KY and Louisville,” in that order?

  • Podunker #4


    Monday, July 9, 2012 - 4:27 PM EST

    BeatPurdue; the short Inside Indiana article stated that “Dougherty chose the Hoosiers over Ohio, his other finalist.” Ohio University was Dougherty’s other finalist and obviously, his second choice. The article did make immediate reference to the offers he received from Boston College and Cinci, so I think they were reporting it accurately and in a fair manner. I don’t see any evidence that they were perpetrating any “old idea.”

    My guess is that “distance from home” was a key criteria in Dougherty’s decision given that he lives in Aurora, Ohio.

    It appears to be a good get for IU. Very big kid, and I especially like his basketball experience, which suggests he’s more than just big, but also a good athlete. Hey, does anyone else think Tom Pritchard would have made a good tight end?

    Here’s what I think is going on. The MAC schools make their offers to a lot of kids that are borderline BCS Conference players and they do it very early relative to most Big Ten teams. The elite Big Ten teams and other BCS Conference teams can wait until a kid’s senior year, evaluate his progress and then try to swoop in during the fall (or even later) and, if they think he’s a fit, poach the kid away from the team he originally made the verbal commitment to. IU, as the weakest team in the Big Ten the last few years, has to selectively go after some of those “borderline BCS Conference players” (i.e., three star recruits), beat out the MAC schools and then try to hold on to the kid’s commitment until signing day on February 3rd.

    But it’s a two-way street. If the kid does not commit early to an IU-type team early, he risks suffering an injury during his senior year and being left with offers from only MAC-type schools. But if an IU-type team (BCS conference school, but historically weak in football) gets an early commitment, they could still lose the kid to a more prominent BCS conference school that poaches him late in the process. It means IU’s coaches have to work that much harder and be that much smarter in order to elevate the quality of talent on the roster. And it means they should continue to recruit quality JC players every year.

  • t #5


    Monday, July 9, 2012 - 9:45 PM EST

    this recruit is not a three star….he may not even be rated or may be a 2 star…Go MacIU!….However, you try to get the best you can and hopefully he can grow into a good player….and compliment better players including jr college players…it may be that IU may field a jr college team in the future along with high school recruits. The 4 star recruits are not going to IU…it seems it is a struggle to get 3 star recruits.

  • waitingforwin #6


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 11:02 AM EST

    Mixed emotions about this recruit. Nice size for a linemen if he is an OT or DE candidate, but a 6’5″ DT could have difficulty keeping his pad level low and maintaining leverage.

    As for his lack of offers from larger programs he may have decided to forgo attending summer camps that these programs desire a potential recruit to attend so that they can evaluate the player in person. The other thing is that he could very well have attended these camps but did not fare as well as other prospective linemen in attendance. Whatever the case he is ours to lose until signing day. Hopefully he will blow up during his senior season and make all those who passed on him envious.

  • Podunker #7


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 1:23 PM EST

    t and waiting; by now I’m sure you’ve read the latest HT article on Daugherty. The article points out that Daugherty received offers from Boston College, Cinci and Syracuse, as well as a lot of MAC schools. IU beating out those three schools BCS-conference schools is sign that Wilson has snagged a very good recruit.

    The article points out that Daugherty has been clocked at 4.9 in the 40, which is impressive for a 6’5″ / 250 lbs 17 year old. And Daugherty has been an accomplished basketball player too.

    I suspect that the reason he has not gotten more attention is because a) he’s from a small school, b) he’s been heavily involved in basketball and therefore has not had the time to spend putting on the additional muscle and weight, and c) until recently, he was uncertain as to which sport he would pursue at the college level.

    The more facts about Daugherty that I read, the more impressed I am with this recruit. I love that he has been a quality basketball player (athleticism). I love that he can run a 4.9 – 40 without having trained for it (natural speed for a big man). I love 6’5″ and 250 lbs for a 17 year old that has yet to really focus on weight training (great size). He’ll probably arrive in Bloomington a year from now weighing 265 before he even get’s serious about conditioning. And I love the fact that he’s a 3.4 GPA dual sport athlete that was influenced by the Kelley School of Business (student athlete).

    If we continue to beat out schools like Boston College, Syracuse and Cinci for football recruits like Daugherty, IU football will improve dramatically and quickly. Based on the facts, it appears to me that Daugherty is a keeper.

  • Chet #8


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 3:51 PM EST

    I doubt we see any 4 star recruits until the program turns the corner. For now we have to hope the staff can find those diamonds in the rough and coach them into quality performers. The numbers imply that Daugherty might be that kind of player.

  • Podunker #9


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 5:49 PM EST

    There are a lot of those “diamonds” playing in California. Kids that would be stars in many other states are so easily overlooked in CA. And USC, UCLA and Cal can only recruit so many each year.

    I hope IU continues to recruit CA. I noticed today that Nebraska just got some hot shot option QB out of California. If Nebraska can recruit California, so can IU.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #10


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 6:26 PM EST

    The lowly Washington Huskies could surely use some California talent. They sure have a hell of a time winning against the prestigious programs of the Pac 12.

  • Podunker #11


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 8:33 PM EST

    Washington does pretty well recruiting CA, especially given the coaching staff’s experience with USC. Wash, WSU, Oregon, OSU, AZ, ASU, Boise and even ND recruit California.

    With 37 million people living in the “People’s Republic of California” there are a lot of football players to be found. Of course, there are some weather weenies out there and some native California kids can not imagine life exists east of the Nevada border, but IU would not want weather-weenies anyway. Hey, if Oregon can recruit some of the best players up to that shower stall, IU can get a few good players too. And as crappy as California’s education system is, you’d think getting a Big Ten college education would be appealing.

  • Chet #12


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 9:01 PM EST

    There are some very impressive universities in California.

  • Podunker #13


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 9:33 PM EST

    Yes, and only four of them have BCS conference football teams.

    Did you know that Stanford does not give out F’s. It is impossible for a student at Stanford to get an F in a class (I believe that is still true).

    Did you know that while practicing football on the campus one year, a USC football player was struck by a bullet fired from an AK-47 shot by a gang banger a couple blocks away?

    Did you know that on the Cal-Berkley campus, a young man walked around campus and attended classes completely naked for months before finally being arrested?

    Did you know that most of the male and female varsity athletes at UCLA can all spot each other is a huge crowd of students on campus? And did you know that one of the biggest obstacles to recruiting athletes to UCLA is the growing perception that UCLA offers an extremely limited “social” life?

    A lot of people are open to getting out of California. IU should exploit that.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #14


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 9:41 PM EST

    Did you know Ted Bundy attended the University of Washington?

  • davis #15


    Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 11:59 PM EST

    Yeah, Harvard, but did he graduate?

  • TsaoTsuG #16


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 12:23 AM EST

    Podunker, I normally agree with much of what you have to say. However, Stanford is one of the finest universities in this country; if perhaps a bit too liberal or leftish for me, the University of California at Berkeley is widely respected for much more than the streaking student; San Diego has a couple of excellent universities and Los Angeles has 5-6 including private institutions, Fair is fair Podunker…there’s much more to admire in California’s educational system (lots of bad too) but those are just a few examples of what I could think so in about 15 seconds.

    I also expect that there may be rules at Standford that make A’s nearly impossible to get (while quite a few probably manage to get them). They probably ‘invite’ those who earn F’s to leave before the grade is published.

  • Chet #17


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 9:12 AM EST

    True story.

    While walking back from campus to my cheesy trailer on 17th Street I glanced into a yard and saw the most amazing display of roses I had ever seen. They were overgrown and needed tending but the quality and variety was unlike anything I had ever seen.

    An old woman looked down from the porch very concerned at my attentiveness to her yard. I lifted my my and said, “Your roses! They are incredible.”

    She smiled and walked down and opened the gate. She explained that her father had been a noted botany professor at IU. He had collected the roses from all over the world.

    She said they had gotten out of hand. She used to have a couple of wonderful neighbors, Bill and Emma, who helped her care for her yard. She spoke of them at length.

    After a while I realized who they were. Bill and Emma.

    They were better known as William and Emily…Harris.

    The people who kidnapped Patty Hearst.

  • Chet #18


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 9:13 AM EST

    ‘my voice’ not ‘my my’

  • Hoosier Clarion #19


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 11:00 AM EST

    Po,

    I’ll add this, the shame about California Dreamin is how many towns and cities are declaring bankruptcy. With over a 1/3rd of them all in imminent financial peril. With strategic changes a 1/2 decade ago they could of avoided much of their mess. The same thought process that allowed this calamity to happen most likely thought F’s at college were too mean. At this time the only thing good in Cal. is the weather and possibly your notion on their HS athletes.

  • Podunker #20


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 5:26 PM EST

    Just having some fun at the expense of some of the universities in the People’s Republic of California.

    There are in deed some great schools in California, but just not enough of them for the population. University of California and California State University campuses are notoriously impacted, making it extremely difficult for students to the classes necessary to graduate within four years. Since California’s economy went south, so are the Junior Colleges.

    Although my previous post was an attempt at humor, my point is there are a lot of good High School football players in California and not enough BCS conference schools to recruit them all. IU has gotten a couple of kids from California in the last few years, but I think they could do a lot more. If I were KW, I’d be recruiting the California JC’s hard. Over time, I’d develop a recruiting presence in California to pick up a few diamonds overlooked by USC, Cal, Stanford, and UCLA.

    Stanford is hard to get into because of academic requirements. USC does not care about academic standards and are notorious cheaters, but they get great FB players and generally get the pick of the litter in California. Cal has huge problems with their FB facilities and budgets. UCLA football is simply in decline and is unlikely to displace USC as the football power in Southern California. Meanwhile, Oregon and Boise State are getting stronger and stronger recruiting in California.

    The talent in California is there for the taking. While IU must continue to work Indiana and the Midwest hard and as the top priority, I have thought for years that they should cast a wider net. IUB has a lot to offer and there are no “naked guys” walking around campus.

  • Podunker #21


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 5:44 PM EST

    HC, didn’t I just read today that the city of San Bernardino, CA declared bankruptcy? There will be more and more cities in the People’s Republic of California doing the same in the near future. That state is a mess and Governor Moonbeam has no solutions. I think his plan is to convince Congress to get the good people living in all the other states to cover the state’s debt. That means that if Moonbeam has his way, the rest of us are going to get stuck with the bill. But don’t worry, the latest estimates are that California’s unfunded liabilities are only about $60 Billion with annual deficits at $16 billion. Hey, that works out to be just about $200 per man, women and child living in the U.S.

    But heck, you can move to California, get a job as a State Prison Guard, make $96,000 per year (average), retire at 50 with your pension at 95% of your last year’s salary, and with full healthcare benefits for the remainder of your life. Then you can go back, get hired as a “consultant” at double your previous wage and get rich. NICE!

  • TsaoTsuG #22


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 6:19 PM EST

    Podunker…on your football scenario, it seems to me that you must not have visited Bloomington for several years or you may have missed seeing the ‘naked guy’. One thing I remember from my days as a student in Bloomington was the coaches having the reserves on Saturdays pick up the used ‘memorabilia’ left from the Friday Nights in the 10th. Street stadium. Same was true for the soccer team playing down the hill from the 17th. street/Jordan Rd. near the then ‘new’ fraternity row.

    On the People’s Republic of California, sounds almost like the Chicago and Illinois reality, Stanton, Pa. just cut all municipal pay to minimum wage )firemen making $7.50 an hour). Many cities, states and their institutions will have to start making tough choices and reviewing their needs or, in some cases, simply deciding that additional taxes are needed to sustain present quality and services. And, both budgets and work rules will have to be reviewed and in many cases changed. Spain’s and Greece’s is not that different from where we are headed and it ain’t pretty.

    As an outsider (but a keen and loyal follower and observer) to the state of Indiana today, I admire the fact that the current governor (and future President of Purdue University- d_m_, we missed that one there!) has kept Indiana fiscally strong while moving it steadily forward. It is too bad (IMHO)that, for whatever reason, he decided not to offer his obvious leadership skills and talents to the rest of the country. I think a man with his vision and discipline would have won in a walk over present choices.

    Unfortunately neither party is serving us very well with their emphasis on politics and ideology rather than the country. What is beyond my understanding is why we let them?

  • Chet #23


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 6:31 PM EST

    I read an article a few weeks ago that pointed out that the most liberal cities and states were, in general, in much better financial condition than their conservative brethren. It went quite in depth as to the reasons, but that was the synopsis.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #24


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 6:35 PM EST

    Biden’s hometown(Scranton, PA) has also declared bankruptcy. They’re paying cops and fireman minimum wage to corner taxpayers into more desperation. The whole damn country is bankrupt..There would be no automotive or housing industry left without government bailouts to fix their bankrupt asses…Gang violence is killing children at the rate of 40 per week on the streets of Chicago. It’s a wholesome Midwestern city with plenty of profitable weapons while bankrupt of morals, example, schools, and leadership for their forgotten decrepit neighborhoods. We drive monstrous roadhogs that bankrupt the earth its natural resources and contribute to profitable drilling platforms that choke to death with oil marine life our once beautiful Gulf waters…..

    What the hell is the big deal and grief with California?

    IU football is bankrupt of talent. Throw more money at it.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #25


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 7:00 PM EST

    ..10 per week(40 per month). No less alarming with no intent to minimize the horrific escalating gun violence disintegrating families on the streets of Chicago.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #26


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 7:05 PM EST

  • Hoosier Clarion #27


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 7:36 PM EST

    In the 50′s I lived 86 miles from Chicago. This slaughterhouse scene was going on then. It now gets more attention from the outside because of our modern day media. The thugs have changed several times over the years but the innocent victims are still the same. It will be the same way in another 60 years. Hell they have been fighting in the middle east for 6000 years and they like it that way.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #28


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 8:00 PM EST

    Though I live far from Chicago, I can still pick up WBBM(am 780)on my car radio while I drive to work late at night.

    I heard another report that group muggings are becoming more widespread in areas not even associated with the gang violence..Five or six thugs will target a lone individual or couple coming out of building(hospital job, etc)late at night. They’ll attack them for money, iphones, laptops, etc.

    I think the times are pretty desperate….(everywhere). Sure, mass media jacks it all up, but the class divisions and joblessness are ripping cities apart. Chicago’s homicide rate is growing at a rate that erase steady decline the past two decades…I won’t turn this political again.

    I’m a born and raised Midwesterner…I grew up in Northwest Indiana and always considered Chicago as my home city(sports teams, shopping, restaurants, television programing, news…all became part of my youth). My parents loved to take us into the city..I’ll admit, most the trips a quick and nonchalant bypassing the rough streets by way of Indiana Toll Road, Skyway bridge, and Dan Ryan to the finer destinations a favorite restaurant or shopping area on Michigan Ave. I’ve been lucky to never worry what many kids go through every hour their streets in warfare.

    The country is teetering…and it certainly isn’t because the degeneracy in society only flocking to the coastal regions are wide country. We need to take a hard look how we ever got this f**ked up.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #29


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 8:08 PM EST

    oops…our wide country.

  • Chet #30


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 8:34 PM EST

    Disparity of wealth is what happened. A tiny class of disassociated super wealthy resulting in an ever growing class of poor and desperate.

    It has happened in human history before. I can tell you how it ends. It’s always the same.

    The crazy part is that there are people that think that THIS TIME it will be different.

  • Chet #31


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 8:36 PM EST

    I wonder, in these cities paying minimum wage to those who keep the cities alive, if the managers and administrators are paying themselves minimum wage as well.

  • Podunker #32


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 9:38 PM EST

    I just deleted two paragraphs of political opinion, realizing that if I hit “Submit Comment” I would be a hypocrite since I have criticized others for allowing strings to wonder off into political debate. Sorry if my previous posts contributed to that, it was not my intent.

    Tsao, I have visited Bloomington every year for decades. In fact, i can’t remember a year in which I did not visit Bloomington. I have not made the trip so far this year, but look forward to a football game this fall.

    I used to do some college recruiting and IU’s Kelley School of business was our favorite campus (it was just a coincidence that I ran the program and IU was our favorite campus). That took me back three times each year for many years. And our recruiting trips always seemed to coincide with an IU football or basketball game. My youngest daughter attended IU, so that gave us a reason to visit for four years. Before that, my oldest daughter was recruited to play soccer for IU, but chose University of Arizona instead (she’s the biggest weather weenie in the world). My wife still has a lot of family in Indiana (she is a Hoosier by birth, I’m a Hoosier by choice) and the Nashville area, so we make it a point to schedule the trips around football and basketball games.

  • TsaoTsuG #33


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 9:39 PM EST

    The gun deaths in Chicago are concentrated in 8 of the 26 police districts, all in the south side. It certainly is a great tragedy and a problem that we, all citizens in Chicago, desperately want addressed. Still, it is important to recognize that the great majority of the shootings are within groups disputing turfs within specific and generally well identified neighborhoods and, generally, over franchise rights to the sale of drugs.

    Unfortunately this evil scum, the miscreants that are responsible for 85% of these shootings do not recognize that the victims of their bullets are their own little sisters playing or selling lemonade. It’s likely they wouldn’t care if they did. Sure, some liberals, generally in safe college towns, point out and sometimes accurately that economic needs and social factors underlie somne of that action. But, and make no mistake about this, the greatest evil is the warped or in-existent souls, and their perverted value system and absence of a sense of shame that puts limits on behavior for the civilized.

    Perhaps, the lessons learned in Baghdad, Fallujah in Iraq and Kandahar in Afghanistan can be well applied to the pacification of our own war zones here. If we could end the carnivorous massacres by the Mahdi army in Sadr City, or the entries to Kandahar, we can employ the same efforts- even resources- in Roselawn, Kenwood and North Lawndale. Don’t waste your time, tears or compassion for the garbage and virus who shoot the innocents on the front porch of their homes or while getting on a bus to school because they wanted her/his MJ shoes.

  • TsaoTsuG #34


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 9:52 PM EST

    The perception that it is spreading is false. When it happens in the south side the media (remember who they are and where they live and work)treats it as a traffic stop. When 2-3 incidents happen on Michigan Avenue, the media plays it on the headlines and to lead the news with three different stories in one day.

    There have been some 4-5 incidents that spilled into the areas around the ‘tourist hosting’ part of town, Michigan Avenue and the zone around the Northwestern Medical Center just east of it. One was a mugging over an IPhone, another a confrontation between members of two gangs who crossed each other’s path. There were also a couple of incidents involving ‘flash mobs’ but since they involved kids from the suburbs they got little attention. Generally, I feel very, very safe walking at night- even late- anywhere around the 42nd ward (downtown) and the nearby neighborhoods.

    But then, even Bloomington is trying to explain how a young woman could disappear from that idyllic college town setting and never be heard from again.

    Podunker…sorry, I got your last post (about staying within parameters of IU sports)just after I sent mine.

  • Chet #35


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 10:20 PM EST

    It’s always interesting to see where people end up philosophically and politically. I was a middle class kid but both my parents were born of desperate Appalachian poverty. I worked my way through school and graduated without debt (those were the days). I served in the military. I was a paramedic in a violent southern city for nearly a decade followed by a couple tours through grad schools and a successful professional career followed by an early semi-retirement. Along the way I was on a university faculty.

    My experiences resulted in my being a devout liberal.

    It’s hard to tell but I don’t think Clarion or Podunker or TTG had a life extraordinarily different from mine yet they became conservatives.

    Go figure.

    BTW. I enjoy the banter.

  • Chet #36


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 10:23 PM EST

    …I should add that I started three businesses and currently have three corporations with significant (for normal people) holdings, so I know quite a bit about business.

  • Hoosier Clarion #37


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 10:59 PM EST

    The Mayor of Scranton is also earning minimum wage, self imposed. He understands the desperate situation of that city.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #38


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 11:22 PM EST

    I could use many examples the changing face of business in the Gold Coast of Michigan Ave. to reinforce much of your viewpoint, Chet. North Michigan Ave was once full of stores that did not only target the wealthiest of the wealthy. Even a stores like Bloomingdales have completely rearranged their merchandising philosophy and their desired targeted consumer. There aim is now much higher on the Totem pole of wealth. They removed much of the clothing labels(many items that used to feature their own label) and housewares that once appealed to the income levels a middle to upper-middle class pocketbook. An old landmark of Chicago, Marshall Fields is gone…They pulled FAO Schwartz Toys and Banana Republic. The shopping district of north Michigan Ave is now primarily packed with wondering “tourists” that can only fantasize through store windows..One out of a hundred strolling along are the truly rich that can actually afford the offerings. It didn’t used to be that way. With every passing decade, the middle class is erased. You can no longer pretend to bump elbows with the upper 10%.

    My dad once bought me a beautiful suit from a store named Baskins for Men…It was in the Water Tower Center…Spent a lot of money…a lot of money. I felt so spoiled. That independent fine men’s clothing store has also long since disappeared. Chicago is not the city it used to be. It’s like the rest the good ol’ U.S..Struggling to figure out what the f**k happened.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #39


    Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 11:27 PM EST

    …Bloomingdales has

    Sorry for the rest of the ugly grammatical blunders. In a hurry to go make minimum wage(or just slightly above).

  • TsaoTsuG #40


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 2:08 AM EST

    Wow…the Michigan Avenue I live around the corner from is always full of shoppers from both within the city and visitors from other cities. Of all races, nationalities and, apparently incomes. There are some up scale stores (Gucci’s, Burberry’s, Neiman-Marcus, etc), but also a number of mid-level stores (Sacks) and a discount store or two (Filene’s, Marshall’s, etc) as well. Chicago, above all, has tried to sustain the ‘elegant’ feel (for instance no hot-dog or on-the-street pizza-by-the-slice joints, Wendy’s, etc) to Michigan Avenue which I find absolutely correct and just plain good policy and marketing. (Right now there’s an emerging big argument between a couple of malls-Water Tower included- who want to place a neon signage on their buildings vs. those of us who insist it would cheapen the experience. The least Chicago owes its very hard working population and its visitors is a good experience that will encourage them to return. Why not?

    Your argument also neglects to mention the care with which this city has treated its streets (the flower container dividing the streets, the absolute fascinating and world acclaimed architecture, and its miles and miles of open waterfront public parks and green spaces). (Last year the city refused to allow the Children’s Museum to build on Grant Park…the last thing the neighbors wanted was four block lines of yellow school bus on that beautiful green space. Despite pressure from the ‘goo-goos’ it encouraged them to find another site or stay at Navy Pier).

    What you are probably talking about as a more exclusive, up-scale stores is probably the block of and around Oak Street (between Michigan Ave. and State), largely boutiques and up-scale stores (like Barney’s of NY, where yes, a shirt can start at $300, a sweater at $600 and when you ask for a jock strap they ask you, “silk or linen?” (beginning at $110). (Just say no!) Yes, Virginia…wealthy (rich) people have a right to window shop and spend too. Ain’t America great??.

  • TsaoTsuG #41


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 3:09 AM EST

    Chet…different paths… I started out a kid who could not speak one word of English, with a great father who never spared me a needed rap on the head ‘for my own good’. iWent to IU during ‘the days of rage’, was an activist and a leader of what I thought was a struggle for a better society until I figured out that the ‘revolution’ stopped for all the stop-lights and its goal seemed to really be to get us all la_d and over our collective sexual repression at a time when we had to have our date back at the dorm at 11pm and when you said good night the rule was a minimum of two legs per couple had standing on the floor. It was strictly enforced too!

    My old man brought us here as immigrants (legally), worked his arse off to give us the chance we could not have in a society ruled by liberal goo-goos who ran it into the ground and democratized it by starving and impoverishing everybody equally. But, it also helped me figure out that all ideology is probably a lie. So I choose (here, where I have a choice to choose and determine my options) sometimes to make sure a measure of well being is available to everyone; but am weary of those who constantly cry that they achieved and have less because, in most cases their outcomes are a consequence of their bad choices. (Never forget that teacher that shook her index finger at us and warned us in the seventh grade that we ‘would regret it if we didn’t pay attention’.

    I believe the greatness of this country lies in ‘conserving’ those values that made this country great (and the reason why about half to three-quarters of this earth still wants to come here) such as hard work, accountable self- disciplined and the right to enjoy the rights given to me by the Constitution. I’m not sure that any of this defines me as either a liberal (Oh God, I hope not) or a ‘Conservative’, I don’t know what a ‘neo’ is (how can anyone be ‘neo’?) and believe that references to the left or the right depend on whether the idiot saying it is facing or has his/her arse towards me.

    I also don’t like people who constantly cry over their misfortune and make a crusade and a cause out of their own failures, blaming it on those who had the character to achieve.

    Finally, Chet…’I believe in the soul, the c__k, the p__y, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days;….the Hoosiers will have a solid football program, the basketball team will some day again play good defense and,… I believe in great banter as well’.

    I equally enjoy bantering with you, Podunker, HC, Jay Gregg, and several others here.

    Chet, you should also know that graduate school, have a good career, raising a family, watching both my kids go to school (Indiana and West Point) and start their careers and raise their own families.

  • TsaoTsuG #42


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 3:16 AM EST

    Oops, the last graph I thought had been edited out and accidentally left it hanging. Please ignore.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #43


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 5:07 AM EST

    I often wonder if the best choices are tucked away quietly in the heart. Are they not cheapened when layered too thick with our own voices of approval? Unconditional love sets a soul into the bosom of true freedom; a feeling of worth and a sense of contentment that has no use for the riches of petty digs nor the tiresomeness a wasted word for the self-indulgences betrayed upon a humble ear.

  • Chet #44


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 8:11 AM EST

    TTG, I agree the the entrenched belief system is as big a problem as the beliefs themselves. Given a current political debate the same ‘answer’ has been offered up by either side at various times. They just refuse to accept it when their ‘opponent’ espouses it.

  • Chet #45


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 8:23 AM EST

    I recently wrote as guest column about the shifting landscape of politics. One of the individuals I discussed was Justice John Paul Stevens. He was a conservative appointee of a conservative President. If you examine his positions over the years they haven’t varied much. What have changed are perceptions and attitudes. The same justice, offering the same opinions, is now called a liberal.

  • Jay Gregg #46


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 9:05 AM EST

    I would enjoy reading your column discussing the shifting landscape of politics. Would you be so kind as to supply the link to the article?

  • waitingforwins #47


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 9:35 AM EST

    I am always amazed at how quickly a discussion regarding football can degenerate into a discussion about IU basketball or some other topic totally unrelated. As an IU fan I get tired of people reciting the same worn out adage that IU is a basketball school, but when things like this happen it only reinforces that perception. I peruse other conference team websites and none of them suffer this affliction to as great an extent as IU.

    Now in an attempt to bring the discussion back to football, how many more days until preseason camp opens?

  • Jay Gregg #48


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:26 AM EST

    My mistake,

    Dear Chet, I would enjoy reading your column discussing the shifting landscape of politics.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #49


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 12:04 PM EST

    The shifting changes my ‘business’ is better known as the ‘holdings’ in my large colon soon to come out a ‘column’ and decorate the ‘landscape’ a porcelain-coated bowl introduced to two ‘political’ tacos feuding with too much morning coffee. Yes we can! Yes we can!

  • Chet #50


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 12:38 PM EST

    Jay, I got a ’404′ error when I tried the link associated with it.

  • Jay Gregg #51


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 1:47 PM EST

    Chet, thanks for trying. This is kind of like when you challenged JPat to a mountain bike race. JPat took the challenge and you immediately came back with a disastrous bike accident that eliminates you from such activity.

  • Jay Gregg #52


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 1:56 PM EST

    This may help you with your 404 error.

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  • Chet #53


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 2:44 PM EST

    Jay, I said no such thing and I gladly accepted JPat’s invitation. My bike accident was in November of 2007. I was back riding within a year. Once again you got you ‘facts’ incorrect. All is well and good. I still ride regularly (though this summer heat has slowed me down).

    For the record, while I did not send that particular column to him, Dustin can verify that I write guest columns for our local paper. I sent him a link to my most recent one.

  • Chet #54


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 2:47 PM EST

    Why so insecure?

  • Jay Gregg #55


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 2:56 PM EST

    I’m not insecure. Fix your 404 error and we’ll talk about insecurity. I’m more secure than you’ll ever know. I just don’t need to use the “Scoop” as a forum to prove my value in life.

  • Jay Gregg #56


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 3:13 PM EST

    Chet, I would never seek help from Dustin. Unlike you, I don’t rely on others to take care of me and my battles. Why don’t you just admit it, you didn’t write such an article, or give Dustin permission to provide access to your column.

    I have read your remarks concerning the USPS, the other article can’t be much better.

  • Podunker #57


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 3:30 PM EST

    I’m glad I deleted the two paragraphs that had drifted into politics. Would have been inappropriate for this forum.

    Careful about speculating and assigning labels to people, especially political labels.

  • Chet #58


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 3:34 PM EST

    Dustin can if you wants. I don’t care. You sure get your panties all twisted in a wad.

  • Chet #59


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 3:38 PM EST

    The mistake I made was responding to your initial post. I really should know better. You’re just on here to take pot shots at people.

  • Jay Gregg #60


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 3:45 PM EST

    I only take pot shots at people like you. Are you going to fix the 404 error?

  • Hoosier Clarion #61


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 4:12 PM EST

    JG has not shot at me.

  • Chet #62


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 4:26 PM EST

    Glad to. How would I go about accessing the newspaper’s file server? I’m done with you, J. You’re just going to have to wallow in your anger and bitterness without me

  • Jay Gregg #63


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 4:39 PM EST

    Hoosier Clarion, I don’t take pot shots at people like you.

    When people make up stories, I take pot shots. All that Chet needs to do is supply the article, the publication and the date of publication. Really not that difficult if it was truly a published article.

  • Chet #64


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 4:40 PM EST

    HC, that is honorable of the mayor. I’ve only driven through Scranton but it looks like a tough place to live.

  • Dustin Dopirak #65


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 4:54 PM EST

    Real quick, I have seen Chet’s columns. They do exist. I didn’t read this particular article but it’s a real thing.
    Now that that’s over, I’m going to go back to happily adding nothing whatsoever to this thread.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #66


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 5:04 PM EST

    THIS JUST INTO THE WGN NEWSROOM!!!

    $2,000,000 worth of vintage baseball cards found under the floorboards of TSAO’s CHILDHOOD PLAYPEN!

    “What can I say?…Daddy was properly stern in teaching us the hard bumps of life would forever reward in character and concussions the avoidance of the soft and cushy excuses. It made me what I ham today.”

  • Jay Gregg #67


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 5:10 PM EST

    Dustin, if you have not read it, it does not exist.

  • Hoosier Clarion #68


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 5:12 PM EST

    It is 1 of many places in Pa. tough to live in.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #69


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 5:21 PM EST

    Hey guys and gals-

    Just because Chet occasionally acknowledges a Harvard post or point of view, please don’t use it against him.

    He doesn’t deserve the challenges to his character. What gives anyone hiding his/her face behind a blogging screen name such unbounded rights of ultimate judgment?

    I shall move into the same gray an unproven assertion only based on intuition and observation the digestion of a typed word in a box by saying I believe Chet to be a good father and a man with a kind and forgiving heart. If only all young people now grown into condescending brats could have had a different chance with a father like Chet.

  • Jay Gregg #70


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 5:38 PM EST

    HFH, are you attempting to salvage yourself,or Chet?

    Chet is a fabricator!

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #71


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 5:50 PM EST

    If I had anything to salvage, I would hope to find a better place its use than on a blog.

    I don’t think Chet fabricates. He rarely takes upon the joys a vicious aim to boast his own claim. I like his effort given to understanding and compassion no matter every word his tongue a harmless dream.

  • Chet #72


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 6:48 PM EST

    Thanks Harvard. It doesn’t matter. Chet doesn’t care what, or if, J thinks. Dustin already called him on it. He’s just digging a deeper hole.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #73


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 6:57 PM EST

    You’re welcome. Can I borrow some money?

  • TsaoTsuG #74


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 7:16 PM EST

    Chet (Jay Gregg), others…I don’t think much about the “changing landscape of today’s politics”. Rather than the fact that we came here seeking Nirvana and, to a great degree found it,…even with all the problems that are no doubt the consequence of the fact that human beings created it, and as usual, ____ed it up.

    What does concern me is not only the very shallow level of Democrats and Republicans in general but the fact that they successfully impose ideology, partisanship and agenda on the rest of America. They’ve, in fact, have been able to do over the last 15-20 years what decades of fascism and communism could not do: subjugating this country to political agendas over the whole of the people, the Nation and its Constitution.

    But, we lie dormant and complacent and we let it happen. What else explains Wall Street and the various ‘derivative scams’,the Enron energy extortion conspiracies, the banking frauds of the 1990′s; quickly followed by Clinton’s removal of the firewall that separated the fundamental functions of banks from the Ponzie scheme that is investment banking and led to the current crisis fueled by the political game of easy housing finance policies, immigration policy that promotes fraud even victimizing the aspirations of the illegal immigrants themselves to fraudulently manipulate voter rolls in one direction (Dem or Rep)or another.

    Never mind the complete and whole human corruption revealed in something as every-day ordinary and irrelevant, yet critical as the Penn State sexual deviance and complicity football scandal against children that ends up with the very authorities who tolerated it, made it possible and, with their inaction, played their fiddle like Nero and encouraged it to continue-, right to the Penn State Board of Trustees, administration and its fans and alumni- having a press conference to say, ‘we’ve taken note, we are sorry, let’s change a couple of reporting lines and move on!’. I guess there’s improvement; I was fully expecting the Chairwoman of the PSU Board and the University President to end her press conference with ‘we have a game in little more than a month–Let’s Go Penn State!’

    Go take a shower with Sandusky lady!

    My old man used to brag to us as we prepared to take a boat 6-7000 miles. The United States if a country of laws not of people (I’ll never forget him, seriously looking into the air and declarin ‘da Oonited Stays ees a kontry of loass not of peepull), meaning that the good of the Nation and it People always, a-l-w-a-y-s outweighed any class, sectoral or ideological considerations. I’m glad he’s resting now and doesn’t have to see the crap we pass for leadership today.

    Worse, it’s our fault!

    (Podunker, to your point and with much respect for its merits. I find it impossible to abstract our passion for sports from the reality we live. Sports, like art, music, customs, literature and dining is part of our culture. Nothing illustrates that more than the commentary of a morally bankrupt institution like Penn State athletics and its university administrators so-, while regretting the comments intrudes on yours and others’ focus on intercollegiate athletics-, I am unable to separate them. I apologize for interfering in your enjoyment but can not isolate Hoosier athletics from the reality it exists in.)

    (BTW, at least we’ve had the sense to contain the diffuse commentary to one thread, thus leaving other threads for more IU athletics related posts. Wouldn’t poor Daugherty really enjoy knowing his commitment to the Hoosiers drew nearly 70 comments and much dialogue about the meaning of of our bellybuttons.)

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #75


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 8:12 PM EST

    Most those dudes in wigs that signed the Constitution went and f**ked their slaves after they put down their pens.

    One man’s revolution rarely spares the subjugation another. Our forefathers came for freedom and took in same breath away from those they deemed unworthy its cause for the dent they put in the profits their successes.

    Only our deepest convictions to be open-minded, generous, and fair in the equal access to “liberty” can save us the slithery deceptions of “justice for all” in the hands so few with the power to either build barriers or open doors.

  • Chet #76


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 8:48 PM EST

    TTG, no doubt. Clinton took the bad decisions of his predecessors and put them on steroids. That’s gonna be a generational thing to overcome (if we are able to).

    There has rarely been a day in my adult life where I felt I had fully taken advantage of the opportunities this country still affords many of us. I never had any particular hurdles placed in my path and any failings to achieve the American Dream rest entirely upon my own shoulders. I obsess about missed opportunity. Less now than when I was younger.

    Harvard, history is often painful to learn. It seemed so wonderful to know that Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492. It sucked to learn that he made much of his fortune selling the Taino children into slavery was primarily responsible for the systematic eradication of as many as 5 million indigenous Taino. The diaries of his crew and their description of the sex trade of children is nauseating.

    I guess we should count ourselves lucky that we are able to harvest the fruit of their deeds, as dastardly as they may have been.

  • Podunker #77


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 9:37 PM EST

    Tsao, no apology necessary. I’m just trying to maintain self discipline. I think this string is pretty much panned out anyway. When you have to go to page four to post any type of comment, it’s really a slow period for IU sports.

    Also, I learned a long time ago that if you really want to change someone’s opinion about a serious issue, you have to first ask them questions (qualify their frame of reference) and then present them with an overwhelming number of objective and verifiable facts that can not be refuted. I don’t think this forum provides the opportunity to do that, and I don’t think anyone posting on this site is interested in having their opinions challenged, let alone changed. But isn’t it wonderful that we live in a country where we are free to say and believe what we want, opine until the sun comes up, and do so without fear that men with guns will knock on our door and try to shut us up. Freedom is a wonderful thing!

  • Chet #78


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 10:06 PM EST

    Po, you are absolutely correct. Have a good evening, my friend.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #79


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 10:43 PM EST

    “…you have to first ask them questions”

    Podunker-

    I don’t know if you’ve ever been a teacher, but that is a very insightful and constructive prerequisite. We’ve become such perfected preachers that we’ve forgotten the importance of relinquishing power, putting down the pen, and speaking with caring hearts through a careful and humble ear. How increasingly valued the interaction becomes with the added sense of respect we feel when properly invited our expressing of an opinion.

    Forever lost in these clouded types of blog discussions is the unmistakable look in the eye someone returns to your own windows of the world that tells you they find equality in your voice. When we feel truly listened to it becomes such a wonderful boost/tool for a desire to expand our lives and learn.

  • TsaoTsuG #80


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 10:45 PM EST

    Podunker, I also heartily agree with Chet about your statement, your words are of wisdom. I also got a hearty laugh from your observation, “…it’s really a slow period for IU sports.”

    And Chet, your observation about the opportunities we’ve had and continue to have also reflect my experience and my own assumption of what went right and what went wrong in my life, but like Harry Golden wrote, “Only in America”.

    You both have a great night. Fun to be your friend.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #81


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 10:55 PM EST

    If we could only all have a nice dinner together…Do you think it would be special? We could always dream of it being special.

    Once again, left off the “friend” list. Oh well. I’m actually a really fungi…Old joke. Goodnight.

  • TsaoTsuG #82


    Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:41 PM EST

    A gift for Chet, Podunker, Davis, Jay Gregg and those pushing for A.D. Glass to schedule the Hoosiers against Notre Dame and those concerned with the prospects of a naked Hoosier streaking on campus while coach K. Wilson is escorting a prospect:
    ***************************************************

    A lady IU fan from Bloomington, excited about the prospects of Hoosier football team finally playing Notre Dame, goes to her priest, a Jesuit priest graduated and trained at Notre Dame, one day and tells him, ‘Father, I have a problem.

    ‘I have two female parrots, real cute, red feathered with white marking almost in an IU pattern…really cute, but they only know to say one thing.’

    ‘What do they say?’ the priest asked.

    They say, ‘Hi, we’re hookers! Do you want to have some fun?’

    ‘That’s obscene!’ the upset priest exclaimed, crossing himself.

    Then he thought for a moment……

    ‘You know,’ he said, ‘I may have a solution to your problem. I’m pretty good friends with coaches on the Notre Dame staff in South Bend and they tell me that in the locker room they have two green feathered male talking parrots, which have been taught to pray and read the Bible…they do so continuously and they’ve become sort of a symbol of Irish football’

    Bring your two parrots over to my house, and we’ll take them to South Bend and put them in the cage with Francis and Peter.

    Our Irish parrots can teach your parrots to pray and worship, and be role models for your parrots… And your parrots are sure to stop saying….that awful phrase… In no time..’, the priest, crossing himself says

    ‘Thank you,’…’thank you!’ the woman responded, ‘this may very well be the solution.’

    The next day, she brought her female parrots to the priest’s house and together they drove to South Bend…..

    As the priest ushered her in the locker room,
    she saw that his two male parrots were inside their cage, topped by a large Golden Dome, holding rosary beads and praying..

    Impressed and excited, she walked over and placed her parrots in with them…

    After a few minutes, the female parrots shaking their feathers cried out in unison:

    ‘Hi,… we’re hookers! Do you want to have some fun?’

    There was stunned silence…a frown of concern crossed the priest’s forehead…

    One male parrot looked over at the other male parrot and says,

    ‘Put the beads away, Francis,
    our prayers have been answered!’

  • davis #83


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 1:00 AM EST

    A long one, Tsao, but worth it. “Northwest Indiana,” Harvard? Whatever happened to Da Region?

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #84


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 5:50 AM EST

    I never grew up in Da Region. I grew up in Northwest Indiana(a small and rather quaint Indiana town located about 60 miles from downtown Chicago). I still consider the invented term, “The Region,” to be rather derogatory in nature.

    My dad was born and raised in Gary(my mom was from southern Indiana..later moved to Huntington…later to NW Indiana where she met my dad. It was The Depression..they moved a lot). I have never once heard the phrase “Da Region” ever uttered from from my dad’s lips. He was simply from Gary. His father(my grandfather) worked in the Gary Works steel mill for most of his life. My dad chose a different path. One of the most unique lives you’d likely ever hear a story told. I wish I could tell it to you, but I value anonymity when it comes to the internet.

    I still watch WGN Chicago news occasionally(offered through my cable programing package)and I have never heard a news anchor, on-site reporter, or meteorologist utter the term “Da Region” while referring to the area of Indiana I once called home. They use nothing other than the respectful use pf the many different town’s names(Merrillville, Shererville, Munster, Gary, Hammond, Whiting, Portage, Chesterton, Valparaiso, Michigan City, etc) or simply call it “Northwest Indiana” if referring to a primarily expanded area the three adjacent counties(Lake,Porter,LaPorte).

    If you like the term, it’s just fine. I think it started by way of ignorant mockery; a negative connotation aimed at Gary’s hardened and forgotten streets that could never recover from its economic collapse. My dad still has a lot of pride the days his youth and his Gary stomping grounds…He was an All-State football player for the Emerson Golden Tornadoes and turned down two scholarship offers(Michigan and Purdue)because he chose to enlist in the Navy at the outbreak of WW II. He sat in his high school classroom while it was broadcast over the school intercom system that Pearl Harbor was under attack. He dropped out of high school. A lot of those young men dropped out(including my dad’s brother) those classrooms of Gary and passed on dreams to instead fight for their country. Maybe it’s just me, but I feel it’s a disservice their honor to not call the hometowns many are now buried in as anything different from what they wrote on their enlistment papers.

    Dan Dakich refers to Northwest Indiana as “Da Region.” Then again, he grew up in Merrillville..Then again, I consider Dakich an a$$hole..Then again, Merrillville is one giant strip mall. If I grew up in Merrillville, then I may share in the mockery its bland urban sprawl and choose to lump anyone born the last 100 years within 50 miles his blasé hellhole doorstep as the same uninspiring “region.”

    Time to go to bed..Sun’s almost up.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #85


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 6:14 AM EST

    Forgot to mention Hobart in that list of Northwest Indiana towns.

    Hobart used to pound our asses in football. I don’t know why, but them damn Hobart moms and dads grew big sons of bitches for kids. Their lineman would always dwarf the rest the teams in the conference…

    I made my biggest high school football interception came against Hobart and I’ll never forget the brain-shaking hit a Hobart “Brickie” put on me(the last guy I had to beat to have 40 more yards of open field and a sure TD)to cut a rare chance a scrapbook page my brief try at football. The game ended in a tie…A tie against Hobart on the football field was victory. Basketball was a different animal…We could beat Hobart at hoops. Big, hard-hitting, SOBs from Hobart. I’m not sure how the school team ever got the name “Brickies”…All I know is that you felt like you had been hit by a ton of bricks the morning after a football contest against them.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #86


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 6:24 AM EST

    Oops.

    I made my biggest high school football interception in a game against Hobart..

    _______________

    Still not on Tsao’s friend list…I guess davis will be replacing me at the Lowenbrau booth.

  • Chet #87


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 8:03 AM EST

    You’re there, Harvard, you’re there.

    Northwest Indiana always seemed a world away to us kids growing up on the Ohio River. It was too far to ever schedule a school up there, even when gas was cheap, so the only times schools would cross paths would be if the met in a state final or semi final.

    I’d love to hear the story of your Dad. Maybe you insert cities like Metropolis and Gotham City to maintain anonymity.

  • Hoosier Clarion #88


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 8:48 AM EST

    It would not have been impossible but was very unlikely anyone was in a HS classroom on Sunday December 7, 1941.

  • Hoosier Clarion #89


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 8:59 AM EST

    …also, I was from LaPorte county and we never considered ourselves in the “region”, that was Lake county and a western part of Porter…and I never was in Gary until well into my 20′s, it was a half a world away to us…

  • Hoosier Clarion #90


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 9:03 AM EST

    Illinois HS TE is IU’s most recent commit, Danny Friend.

  • Chet #91


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 9:28 AM EST

    Roosevelt’s famous ‘day that will live in infamy’ speech was given on Monday the 8th, though. I think that is when the magnitude of Pearl Harbor struck at the heart of America.

    That’s what I’ve read, anyway.

  • Hoosier Clarion #92


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 9:33 AM EST

    Exactly my thoughts.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #93


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 2:25 PM EST

    Clarion-

    I guess I was wrong on the Pearl Harbor specifics. I just have a recollection of him saying there was an announcement in the school. Maybe they said something on the intercom less impacting and alarming like “Pearl Harbor had been leveled yesterday and our country is at war.” Maybe my dad embellished..He was quite the Drama Queen.

    Chet-

    When I was around 10-years-old my parents threw us in the car to take a nearly one month summer vacation. My dad bought a brand new Chevy Caprice to begin the event and we saw nearly ever state and national park out West. My dad brought a horse for my sister. This was not a planned event in our vacation. She fell in love with this horse while we were driving along a dusty road under the big blue skies of Montana. That’s my dad. She wanted the horse. I told you we were spoiled. Near the end of the trip, my dad put an extra 1000 miles on the odometer and drove from California back up to Montana…hauled that poor damn horse in a modified U-Haul all the way back to Montana.

    While in Montana he also decided to visit a lumber mill that was ripping Montana Fer into monstrously thick rough-cut planks(4″ thick x 16′ lengths)…He decided to by two truck loads to build a house yet to have a blueprint. That was my dad. He always had his wheels turning(figuratively and literally). Never completed high school..Only completed dreams. Like I said, we were all very, very spoiled.

    You would have fallen in love with that house he built, Chet. It was at one with nature..Had towering oak trees that basically grew through its walls. It always breaks my heart to know he had to give it up.

    There’s far more, but I won’t bore. It’s all beginning to sound too self-serving..My dad wasn’t perfect. I guess that’s why I love him so much.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #94


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 2:29 PM EST

    oops.

    Not even halfway into the trip, my dad bought a horse for my sister.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #95


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 2:34 PM EST

    oops(again)

    …hauled the horse all the way back to Indiana.

    Yes, it was basically animal cruelty…hauled from Montana back to Indiana…towed behind a Chevy Caprice in a modified U-Haul trailer. I say “modified”…for purpose of embellishment.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #96


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 2:37 PM EST

    again..Montana Fir

    I also didn’t complete high school.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #97


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 3:29 PM EST

    Notice how Clarion begins to define “the region” as “Lake County and the western part of Porter County.” Does it end in Hobart? East Gary? Portage? Burns Harbor? Is Miller Beach part of “the region?” Ogden Dunes? Dune Acres? Ogden Dunes and Dune Acres are very upscale private communities nestled against the shores of Lake Michigan. You can jump on the South Shore train and be in downtown Chicago in less than 30 minutes from the Ogden Dunes stop. My sister date a guy in high school from Dune Acres..He attended Harvard..was a Rhodes Scholar. It takes less time to drive from Dune Acres to downtown Gary than it would take to walk from 3rd Street to 10th Street on the Bloomington campus(10 minutes?). Many of the kids that lived in these communities strangely attended my public high school that was nearly 10 miles from their gated neighborhoods. East Gary schools would have been a shorter bus ride. East Gary, of course, would be more closely associated with the dreaded “region.”

  • Hoosier Clarion #98


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 3:55 PM EST

    HfH, As I stated I was never in Gary until I was in my 20′s and in Chicago only twice before I was hauled there to be inducted into the service. The region or Chicago was never a destination to us nor is it to this day. When you are raised on a grain and dairy farm in in southern LaPorte county they seemed a half a world away. Sorry if that swamps your boat but I am only stating the facts.

  • TsaoTsuG #99


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 3:55 PM EST

    Referencing your dad you use two different tenses. “…He was quite the Drama Queen…” and, “My dad wasn’t perfect. I guess that’s why I love him so much.” Confusing, but hopefully he is still alive.

    Great to follow a father’s trail, it even widens with acceptance (by us towards them) and helps us around walls that paralyze many.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #100


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 4:33 PM EST

    It doesn’t “swamp my boat”…I don’t believe you’ve adopted it for intended derogatory use. I’m just attempting to tell you honestly that “The Region” was never a term I heard in my household(nor did any of my friends). I’ve never heard Northwest Indiana referred to as “The Region” by Chicago television names that deliver news, weather, and sports. They include stories about Northwest Indiana(understanding it’s part of their viewership) and refer to the area as Northwest Indiana or a specific town.

    That’s funny..After just saying “I didn’t complete high school,” my spam question this post is 1 + 2.

  • Hoosier Clarion #101


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 5:29 PM EST

    That is because it is mainly used for Lake county and not all NW Indiana.

  • TsaoTsuG #102


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 5:33 PM EST

    Davis has it right, Da Region/ The Region in calling that corner of Indiana, proudly called so by its own sons and daughters and proudly so. This “…derogatory in nature” is just more liberal p.c. b.s. It was a way of taking pride of an industrial region of hard bitten, racially and ethnically mixed (Irish, Polish, other East and Central European, Black, Mexican) railroad, industrial, steel and refinery workers who were the backbone of the industrial dominance of the Great Lakes states during the greatest American epoch.

    If there was a ‘derogatory’ intent at all in the term The Region it may have been- as HC suggests- from Da Region’s citizens towards the homogenous pastoral scene of the rest of the state of Indiana extending through the plains and cornfields to the shores that face the Ohio and, thankfully, keep us from being seen as Kaintuckian hordes at the limit of the “South” (Old South). But, even so I doubt the intent of the term ‘Da Region/The Region’ was to insult anyone. Insults and value laden references are more the byproduct of this, the era of social ‘tolerance’ and P.C. (political correctness) than the days when we were too busy working, building and becoming the Great Melding Pot where Carmine (endearing word for Italian)from South Chicago could have a fist fight with the (endearing word for Polish) kid down the block in East Chicago and go have a beer at the (endearing word for Irish) Mickey’s Corner bar afterwards.

    If there ever was a Region (stand up when you say it)that was the best of what America was about, it was the Gary/East Chicago bi-polis that gave us the great schools and teams like East Chicago Washington, East Chicago Roosevelt, Gary Roosevelt, Gary West, Gary Emerson, Gary Froebel (I’m sure I’m leaving out some but blame that on the savagery of old age). The history is fascinating. Even Chicago’s 10th Ward (in South Chicago) was generally ‘in ‘Da Region’. More men died in the Vietnam conflict from Our Lady of Guadalupe parish than any other Catholic church in the US, nearly all of them of Mexican origin. The Church, on 91st street barely across the state line from Indiana was started in the mid and late 1920′s by Mexicans who arrived as the railroads were being built south of the Chicago stockyards. Our Lady of Guadalupe actually held its first few years of mass in railroad boxcars parked in the yards on the Indiana side of ‘Da Region’. To this day, they claim they could use their noses to find north to the stockyards on a cloudy day.

    Some day…some day soon… we will find that the missing city of Atlantis was actually Da Region and its glory will again pop out of Lake Michigan (out of a yellow cloud of old polluted air) and return to its old greatness, with the Hanging Gardens of Babylon dripping and flowering over Fifth and Broadway in Gary.

    Additional for anyone interested. (One town, Silvis, Illinois; near the Quad Cities on the Mississipi River gave more than 100 sons to defend this country, including 8 during WWII from a three block area of one street now renamed Hero Street, the US. Ninety-four of the 100+ heroes from all wars (including 8 WWII fallen heroes from Hero Street were sons and daughters from Mexican immigrant families who were living and raised onHero Street while living in box cars that, just as in The Region, housed the railroad and shop workers as the railroads and factories expanded west.)

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #103


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 5:35 PM EST

    Tsao-

    My dad is alive. He’s in pretty lousy health and rarely gets out of the house(unless one of his misfit kids decides to take him out for lunch or dinner). He hasn’t been able to drive a car for years due to losing most his sight from glaucoma. It was very tough on him when my mom died from her last bout with cancer(colon, breast, and stomach). He felt he let her down somehow. When she was in her final hours she told him death was the better alternative than the fear of living without him. My dad has not been the same man since watching her wither away. He took photos of her in the seconds after her last breath. Her face transformed as the pain was lifted. She looked like a lifeless angel to him…He moved about and circled around her bed, kissing her on the forehead, and marveling at her lifeless beauty. I probably inadvertently change tenses because my dad just seems in limbo…Never the same after losing the one and only true love of his life for over 70 years.

  • TsaoTsuG #104


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 5:47 PM EST

    BTW…Some may see a lot more prejudice and derogatory intent in a term like Harvard for Hillbillies than in Da Region. I know I thought so and, if I recall, Chet did as well but it didn’t seem to concern much then and probably does not now.

  • TsaoTsuG #105


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 5:55 PM EST

    Harvard- bless your dad. You should comfort him by continually reminding him that she’s in a much better, happier, beautiful and pleasant place than before and he should enjoy the thought of all her beauty and peace there. And, some day soon, he’ll again hold her hand.

    Really hope he is well and can find the comfort of her smile.

    (I saw your last entry after sending my last response). You are one piece of work and enjoy troubling those who extend you a hand. (I penciled you into the dinner list but am keeping the eraser close).

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #106


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 6:33 PM EST

    Tsao-

    Best break out the eraser. That was a very inspirational slant. It was once a great industrial region, but my ears are not blind to mockery in a voice when it is laced with derogatory connotation in its intent.

    Choose to stick your head between your shorts with your highfalutin garbage. The term, “the Region,” has nothing to do with where you live when used in this present day. It is used by bigots to draw boundaries of ugly class distinction… as if anyone that would desire a return to such streets, recruit athletes from such streets, venture off the beaten path into such squalor “that region” would just assume drink urine from a toilet….at least until Donald Trump bastardizes the beauty its deathly honesty, builds another one of his hideous waterside casinos to suck more money from the economically entrapped desperate its trappings, as he joyously partakes in the rape of land and labor for his wallet while paying pittance to those in bondage of forgotten neighborhoods lost in the piss-puddles a wealthy corporate class that reaped the rewards when all was bust and got out of town when margins on balance sheets proved simple priority over throwaway inhabitants their lovely imprisoned, once vibrant and industrial hopeful streets, “the Reeeeeeeegion.”

    Thanks for your kind words. My old man is a stubborn sort and probably delaying holding mom’s hand because he fears his son more lost than ever once he exits stage. He recently told me he envisions me living under a bridge one day. Don’t f**k with me, Tsao. I’ll send my old man after you. He makes your ol’ school sticking out of your chest look like kindergarten recess in skirts.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #107


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 6:50 PM EST

    I forgot my damn clip to that last post.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #108


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 7:18 PM EST

    Harvard under Bridges…? Harvard for Regionites…? Harvard the Erasable..? Harvard the Grammatical…? They just don’t roll off the tongue as well.

    Sorry, I think I’m stickin’ with Harvard for Hillbillies.

    Upon Harvard’s omission from the festivities, do make sure Geoff gets penciled in for the Lowenbrau gathering. Gotta have at least one other diner to join Chet that doesn’t wear laced pantyhose under khakis. Laffy and Lowenbrau could be fun.

  • Chet #109


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 9:34 PM EST

    I’d mentioned it was a world away for simple ‘ol Chet. I heard ‘the Region’ for the first time when I hit campus when it was the home to some soon-to-be life long friends (saw them just last month when I ran into Dustin). I climbed down from my turnip truck, adjusted the straw hat on my head and asked asked, “Whar’s that?”

    A regular Hugh Hefner.

    Harvard, I’d love to hear the stories of your Dad. Seriously, I’d love to hear them. I’ll bet they are very entertaining. My own Dad, while always reliably putting food on the table, did not exactly exude flare. We weren’t close. He was just never a guy that was comfortable around children, even his own. He was never abusive or anything, just disconnected. I never resented it, I kinda felt bad for him.

    I kind of went 180 degrees on that one. I love being a Dad. Really, it has been the most fun thing ever for me. Though they are kinda, sorta grown I talk to all my kids at least once a day. In so many ways I’m the luckiest guy in the world.

    If, God forbid, something happened to my wife I doubt I would cope as well as your Dad. I’m afraid you could just draw the curtain on me.

  • TsaoTsuG #110


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 10:18 PM EST

    Harvard…you really are an id__t. Your old man must be one hell of a strong individual. May he find peace.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #111


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 10:30 PM EST

    Maybe their just greater stories in my own small head. I only know I’m pretty much resigned to the fact I’ll never have the drive, personality, or ingenuity he possessed.

    My dad is a fighter, Chet.

    One Story: My dad took early 1900s street lights that had been deemed outdated by the city of Huntington, Indiana, and used the old lights to line our driveway and the 10 acres of frontage property with their old lamp globes and cast iron beauty..I’m guessing they were well over 20 ft. tall and weighed in excess of 500 lbs each. He dug the trenches and did all the wiring himself. He used his tractor with a bucket attachment to push and upright them onto footings he had dug and poured from wheelbarrows upon wheelbarrows of hand-mixed cement.

    I shot summertime hoops well into the late of night with swirling bats diving after my deep jumpers ..under the stars in a lonely Indiana country field under the glow one of those street lights.

    In the wintertime, I loved to click on the switch from the house and turn them all on during massive snow storms…It was a thing of beauty how they cast their light during a pounding buzzard. The pictures will never leave my memory.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #112


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 10:43 PM EST

    Tsao-

    I know I’m a massive idiot..And you’re right, my dad is one hell of a strong individual with a grip and a gorilla-sized hand that could break a coconut with a moderate squeeze. Within his imposing size was a heart softer than a summer breeze.

    I don’t know how I got “buzzard” out of “blizzard”…must have mistyped and clicked on the wrong spell-check word. I need glasses but refuse to give in.

    Don’t hate me, Tsao. I’m merely a bigger bastard in person.

  • Chet #113


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 10:50 PM EST

    That’s just awesome. Keep ‘em coming.

    Totally off topic. My wife and I were watching ‘House Hunters’ on HGTV ( OK, sad, silly, whatever). The couple was looking at a vacation home near Gatlinburg.

    One of the homes they looked at (and ended up selecting) was the chalet we spent out honeymoon in. A friend of her late late father (also departed) lent a poor couple the keys to his vacation home. We also vacationed there a few years later.

    Nothing fancy.

    How crazy is that? We were absolutely delighted.

  • Chet #114


    Friday, July 13, 2012 - 11:02 PM EST

    Harvard, do you have an issue separating from the old man? I mean, do you feel a shadow being cast?

    I hope not.

    While he seems like an interesting character that is no reason to be left out of the sunshine.

    Do you love your kids and spouse? Are they cared for?

    Done. You are their hero.

  • TsaoTsuG #115


    Saturday, July 14, 2012 - 12:01 AM EST

    Chet, you are saying exactly what I had been thinking, and the only reason I resumed the approach, exactly. What a stupid thing for me to do. Completely oolish me for thinking there was hope there. Your last two sentences also really worry the hell out of me…anything except what we hope and pray is the answer would be a real tragedy.

    I vaguely recall a book of poems titled “Knots”, by R.D. Laing, a French psychologist. It went something like (not verbatum, not exact, read it too long ago, but the idea…)
    …you like me
    I do not like myself,
    therefore
    it is impossible for me to like you

    you respect me,
    I can’t respect me
    how can you possibly expect me
    to respect you.

    Your question about the father is right on target, he seems to be just a good man. Laing wrote that the family was an area for strategizing and Love was a way in which one person tried to dominate another person: ‘I love you; [NOTE: a completely clear and final declaratory statement from father to son], but I’m making a condition for that love which is impossible for you to fulfill and so there’s nothing you can do to earn my love even though I’m telling you, you have to earn my love.

  • davis #116


    Sunday, July 15, 2012 - 12:50 PM EST

    Harvard, I use the term with love. The far upper left hand (NWest) corner of the “ride board” map in my IU dorm’s laundry room was delineated “The Region,” the first I encountered the term. Several IU friends of mine were from the Region and used it; they did, however, debate the inclusion/exclusion of certain towns (Munster yes, Merrillville never, etc.) Miller Beach has to be in the Region, it’s a part of Gary! I realize that Burns Harbor is in Porter County, but the steel mill there weighs for inclusion so Ogden Dunes and Dune Acres are in. But Beverly Shores is out.

    I later worked in E. Chicago, Gary, Whiting, Burns Harbor, and Hammond (all steel or related gigs) and lived across the state line in the Chgo. neighborhood of Hegewisch. I enjoyed my experiences there very much.

    My understanding is that Hobart’s biggest industry was a brick factory. And Hoosier Clarion can tell us why La Porte’s teams were the Slicers.

  • davis #117


    Sunday, July 15, 2012 - 12:52 PM EST

    Oops, sorry HC- I imagine that they still are (not were) the Slicers.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #118


    Tuesday, July 17, 2012 - 10:01 PM EST

    The amount of time egotistically self-bathing in reverence one’s own opinion spent hour upon hour in narcissistic bloat, detached from interaction those claimed most dear our hearts, could easily be seen as no less an indictment made in return. Many of these statements are wrought with devious and heartless insinuation and, thus, become the furthest thing from a concerned, caring voice.

    Will I go there? Would I ever go into the trespasses a place where some believe their own perceived freedoms can take them? No. Admittedly, I have far too many times said regrettable words to those that opened their hearts to me here, but to venture into the realm of these recent suggestions I find intrusively cruel beyond reproach.

    I see nothing redeemable in attempts to strip all away a human portrait. For if I am so lost in my flawlessness to nonchalantly partake in such dehumanizing acts, there is little hope(or fear left) finding a way back.

    Lastly, when it comes to friendship, I can only say that there is a special form of trust in the best of a friendship that never crosses into the indignities of publicly parading a thought spun in hideous suggestion.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #119


    Tuesday, July 17, 2012 - 10:16 PM EST

    davis-

    It’s all good. Thank you for not taking my outlandish opinions and exploding them to a level that paints the ugliest of indictments against my heart and character.

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Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Claire Jakubicek (34)
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