More quarterback talk and other Wilson radio show notes


Kevin Wilson reiterated on Monday night that he’s happy with both of his quarterbacks, but reiterated that he views them both as starters and who actually starts against Michigan State on Saturday will be determined by practice this week.

“They’re both good,” Wilson said. “I’m glad we got both of them. I don’t plan to have a revolving door, we’ll just see how the week goes and go from there.”

Wilson said that despite Cameron Coffman’s struggles, he felt both played well in Saturday’s game and that film study found more positives in Coffman’s game than the Hoosiers originally realized and a few more miscues in Sudfeld’s.

“They both played reasonably well,” Wilson said. “Cam had the one pick and actually just went the wrong side on the ball. One of the few balls we’d thrown that it was ‘hey, why’d you go there?’ Ball should’ve been going to the other side of the field. It just kinda got bluffed with coverage and had one interception. Outside of that, we didn’t force the ball, but our whole offense, the bulk of when (Coffman) played was just ho-humming. I don’t know if anything picked up until the one drive we got going, Stephen Houston made a physical play, ran through a DB, scored a touchdown and it kind of ignited us. From there, the team kinda took off. After that we went with Cam. I told them both, we didn’t even talk about it as a staff. I talked to them Wednesday night last week, and said, ‘Hey, we’re gonna start (Coffman) he’s been here longer. Like him, but I think you’re both good. We’ll see how it goes. Don’t plan to play two. Don’t plan to play one. I plan to win. I think we’re gonna win with both of you. I want you to be a better quarterback after this meeting. Better quarterback tomorrow. Better quarterback after Saturday’s game, whether you throw a lot of passes or throw none, I want to get better every day. That’s where these guys are this week. They both played today. They’re both getting equal reps. As we go through it, we’ll see how it plays. They’re both similar. Nate made a few plays, but when the game was on the line, Nate had a chance and didn’t make some plays.”

Wilson said he can tell that whoever wins the job will have the team behind him.

“I have confidence in both of them,” Wilson said. “And I believe if you talk to our receivers, our receivers have confidence in both of them. And I think our team has confidence in both of them. And that’s a credit to those kids.”

– As bad as some of the numbers looked, particularly the 704 yards of offense the defense allowed, Wilson said he still saw a number of things he liked.  One thing in particular was the play of the IU wide receivers, especially Cody Latimer and Kofi Hughes, both of whom made highlight reel grabs on Saturday.

“They made some acrobatic catches,” Wilson said. “It’s nice to make those big plays because they’re capable. They’re big, strong, athletic kids. At the same time, we’ve gotta be a little bit more efficient and make the more high percentage throw and run the route proper and not have to jump over top of guys. Some of those catches, I think one was an ESPN play, they were both awesome. That’s what they’re capable of, but you’re not gonna win games with jump balls. It’s nice a guy can go out jump a guy and get a ball, and we did a little bit of that, but it’s timing and spacing, it’s all those receivers. It’s getting Duwyce, who didn’t have a big game or Shane Wynn, get those guys in the flow of things. Nick Stoner, Ted Bolser, we’ve got a nice complement of guys there.”

Wilson couldn’t deny that the defense generally wasn’t good, because it gave up 44 points and 704 yards and was gashed by the zone read option over and over and over again. But he said he saw some fight and that he believes the defense is better than statistics indicate.

“We can point out some things,” Wilson said. “But again, they’re creating some thing in the second half with turnovers. They’re fighting their tails off. You watch the tape and you don’t see guys not giving you effort. We gotta get off the block. We gotta make a tackle, we gotta scheme it better, we gotta put ‘em in better positions, we gotta make some plays. But you look at the kids and say,’I like your effort.’ We’re not giving up the ghost. There’s a lot of fight in these kids. There’s some things to build with as we move forward.”

– Wilson on Michigan State: “I know they’re disappointed with where they’re at because they have a high standard, high expectations coming back last year having won their division with expectations and a team that can do so again. Stout on defense. Starting up front, excellent linebackers, blitz pressure, very aggressive in the secondary. Quality defense, as good as we’ll see all year. No disrespect to anyone else.  Offensively, gonna pound the ball with a running back. The (La’Veon) Bell kid. Going to get 30, he’s had games where he’s been pushing 50 carries. A quarterback that they’re settling down. They’re struggling a little with the passing game, but they’re trying to make a commitment, because with the run game, the play action’s always there. Great big tight end. Coach Dantonio always does a great job kicking. We’ll need to play good in all three phases. A little bit different animal if we play defense properly. Not as much quarterback run game, some things that gave us problems last week, but a very very stout test offensively. You’re going to work to get your points.”

– Rudy Ruettiger, the famous former Notre Dame walk-on immortalized in the movie “Rudy” was in Bloomington on Monday and addressed the team in the afternoon. He was with Angelo Pizzo, the Bloomington resident and screenwriter who penned both “Hoosiers” and “Rudy.” After speaking with the team and taking pictures with several players — most of which ended up on Twitter — he attended the radio show and spoke briefly at the end.

“Underdog,” Ruettiger said when asked about his message to the players. “No. 1. Don’t go back to where you were. Fight for where you’re at. Stay there. They liked that.”

Ruettiger said he watched Saturday’s game with Pizzo.

“We saw some very positive things happening with Indiana football,” Ruettiger said. “… A good thing’s happening here. … This is gonna happen, guys. This is not a I-hope-it-happens. This is happening, and it will happen because of this attitude they’re bringing here.”

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56 comments:

  • Dunbar #1


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 8:36 AM EDT

    Rudy’s on board! This thing must be going in the right direction! That guy’s as knowledgeable and as honest as they come; glad he was able to talk to our guys. Wilson sure sounded a lot like Lynch to me, defending a defense that just gave up 704 yards. Of course, when Lynch did it he was weak and without a plan. With Wilson, it’s just one more example of his never-say-die attitude!

  • Hoosier Clarion #2


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 9:26 AM EDT

    Gave up 704 yards but never gave up on the game. I saw lots of Lynch’s teams give up. In fact it was his undoing.

  • Hoosier Clarion #3


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 9:40 AM EDT

    Dustin, When did Adam Kranda join the FB team? I thought he was most likely not going to be coming to IU. Another tall/rangy(6’6″-260)TE type Coach Wilson likes to groom and develop for other line positions both offense and D.

  • Hoosier Clarion #4


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 9:43 AM EDT

    Dustin, When did Adam Kranda join the FB team? I thought he was most likely not going to be coming to IU. Another tall/rangy(6’6″-260)TE type Coach Wilson likes to groom and develop for other O or D line positions.

  • Hoosier Clarion #5


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 9:52 AM EDT

    Sorry Dustin took a phone call and somehow the mind games helped me decide it was so damned important it needed edited and posted again. Some days you are both the windshield and the bug.

  • Dunbar #6


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 11:02 AM EDT

    I agree, clarion. Sooner or later we need to win one of these games, however. A loss is a loss is a loss.

  • Hoosier Clarion #7


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 11:50 AM EDT

    The winning of 1 of these games very likely will not be this year. Even though 704 and 44 hung on the IU pitchfork are signs of the D line not intersecting with the O line on the improvement graph it is not as incriminating as scores such as 83-20, 59-7 or 55-3. But mental and physical toughness will only carry improvement so far. Only 2 criteria offer corrections for the defense, experience and a continued influx of talent of B10-ACC-SEC-B12-PAC12 quality from HS’s and JC’s because there ain’t much in Bloomington presently. 1 more thing I’ll point out that is somewhat forgotten or at least not mentioned often; Wilson recognized from day 1 defense was the chronic problem with IU FB so because his own experience was on the offensive side he stacked his staffs #’s to have 7 assistants and GA’s on the D side and 6 assistants and GA’s on the offensive side. That is not unheard of but is not the norm for the majority of CFB programs.

  • Double Down #8


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 2:19 PM EDT

    The Manichean way we view sports skews the real argument. Fact is, KW isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, so how I support “our coach” doesn’t really matter. Here’s the way I look at it:

    Last season was a massive disappointment. Like, I’ve never seen football that bad in my life bad. However, he did come here with a specific vision. Now, it remains to be seen if that vision will bear fruit in the long-term or not. But ripping things up from the bottom might be exactly what our rotten program needs. I do think, however, that we’re often way too quick to pull the trigger on coaches if they haven’t turned the program around in year 2. The people screaming for Crean’s head when we were losing games by 40 when he had 2 walkons and some future 7-11 employees was just as absurd.

    KW has a lot to prove. He has a herculean task in front of him, but he does have a vision. Let’s critique it on its merits instead of seeing things strictly through the lens of whether we like him or not.

  • Geoff #9


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 2:38 PM EDT

    Novel idea Double Down!

    (To say it was a massive disappointment means you have massively higher expectations!? I guess I’m surprised by that. Last season, and this season are going just about how I expected)

  • Hoosier Carlton #10


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 6:20 PM EDT

    Last season, and this season are going just about how I expected.

    Geoff, are you saying you are smarter than Kevin Wilson himself? He thought he’d come here and simply… “Win Today!” — didn’t he? Now you say you knew he couldn’t. That makes you smarter than Mastermind Wilson himself. And if you, a beachcomber, are smarter than he is, then he certainly does not deserve to be the IU Football Coach.

    Thanks for making it clear for everyone.

  • Hoosier Clarion #11


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 6:26 PM EDT

    Something is clear to everyone.

  • Hoosier Carlton #12


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 6:30 PM EDT

    Yes, but what that is, is certainly not clear to you.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #13


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 6:48 PM EDT

    How could anyone predict the season-ending injury to Tre Roberson? If Tre doesn’t get injured, the dynamics of the team changed exponentially. I think we get over the hump with Ball State(and possibly Northwestern)..The momentum could have elevated the overall confidence of the team and made the next two games at home closer contests than what will now likely be the “expected” results the brilliant pundits. Wilson had no control the hand of fate he was dealt in losing his starting QB.

    And let’s keep in mind that in November of 2011 very few on this blog predicted the Hoosier basketball team to have the success we witnessed last season.

    It’s much easier to claim things are “as expected” once into full swing a season(especially after a very key injury to the most dynamic QB and best option for success the guy taking snaps has been removed from the equation). All earlier predictions are off when you pull such an important starter, a starter that was showing drastic improvement his early outings, from the mix.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #14


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 6:49 PM EDT

    oops..”change exponentially.”

  • Double Down #15


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 9:37 PM EDT

    Geoff,

    True. But even by my low expectations last year was just some horrid football. Unlike Crean’s situation when he arrived, KW didn’t inherit a program that hit bottom. My expectations only changed after I started to see what he was trying to do: build a culture of toughness. That’s why he’s a stickler about guys practicing hard, etc. Remains to be seen if it will work, but it is an ethos, if you will.

  • TsaoTsuG #16


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 10:49 PM EDT

    Double Down…good comment and a good take on it.

  • Wang Wang González #17


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 11:13 PM EDT

    He doesn’t need you to tell him, OK?

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #18


    Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - 11:35 PM EDT

    Crean inherited a state that produces some of the best basketball talent in the nation. That “bottom” has been grossly exaggerated compared to the decades of plunging into the dark abyss of irrelevancy Hoosier football has lived in. The landing of one big time recruit had the potential to turn fortunes on a dime(as it did with the commitment of Cody Zeller).

    Within that pigskin irrelevancy is a smaller pool of talent and the battle to win over local and Midwestern top prospects against football programs thick tradition(OSU, ND, Michigan) and national exposure.

    Wilson may also be the victim of rather poor timing and circumstance. Did he expect Indiana basketball to climb so quickly back into national recognition when he signed on the dotted line his momentous task when he came to Bloomington? Will the average fan stay on board or care of the “cultural movement” when basketball is suddenly propelled its status to what the nation has forever attached the name “Hoosier” to the given sport its historical importance?

    Basketball reigns as king again with the explosion of success, defeating UK on a last second shot, and a great March Madness unexpected run to a Sweet 16….And what happened for coach Wilson? Gunner tears up his commitment and heads to ND. As painful as the thought of Cody never heading to Bloomington, playing in Tar Heel blue instead of candy stripes, there is no doubt two programs are on different planets in the ability to capture the interest a national audience yet the ears of recruits.

    Crean’s fate has been changed by one decision a small gym in Washington. Wilson’s fate, in terms of riding out his contract and lowered expectations, is likely now more secure a satisfied fan base that has their longest love and tradition in hoops reborn. Cody Zeller put Hoosier basketball back on the map and, at the same moment, put IU football back into the Twilight Zone of nobody cares. They are worlds apart again and the middle point, created by a slowly growing equal interest in the two programs amidst what was a fading basketball program in turmoil, is no longer.

  • Geoff #19


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 2:02 AM EDT

    Harvard – that is a really great and important question! Sometimes you absolutely hit the nail on the head! I hadn’t thought about the timing issue with basketball as a consideration for fan patience and job acceptance before. Bravo sir, and I’m not even being sarcastic.

  • Geoff #20


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 2:07 AM EDT

    “Carlton” – not that your post really deserves a rebuttal, but no, your premise isn’t correct. Wilson has to come in positive and try to build a culture of expected success. “Win today” isn’t so much an expectant action as it is the building of a new culture. That is his job. My job is to take a realistic view on things. I’m sure if you signed a confidentiality agreement and got Wilson in a private room he would admit that he didn’t expect to “win today” in his first couple seasons.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #21


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 5:37 AM EDT

    Geoff-

    Thanks.

  • Hoosier Carlton #22


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 8:45 AM EDT

    I’m sure if you signed a confidentiality agreement and got Wilson in a private room he would admit that…

    Oh, so now you’re sure of entirely hypothetical situations, eh? That’s a new low, even for you… Tell me, are you and Tsao in the same ward?

  • Hoosier Clarion #23


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 9:55 AM EDT

    Geoff now we are sure, it did not deserve a rebuttal. But he is so exposed and inviting.

  • Hoosier Carlton #24


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 10:04 AM EDT

    Clarion, are you still talking to your belly button?

  • Geoff #25


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 10:11 AM EDT

    Hoosier Charlatan – who in your opinion is the best, the very best, coach in all of college football? Meyer? Miles? Saban? Someone more obscure? What do you think they could have done at IU last year taking over a team of mediocre players that went 1-7 in the B1G in 2010? Now maybe they get Gunner to stay with his original commitment, but what does that even mean? As far as I can tell he is 4th on the depth chart at ND and can’t get a snap.

    So would the best coach in the country have turned IU around in 1 or 2 years? Where is the precedent for that happening at any FBS school? Where a coach came into a traditionally bad-to-mediocre-at-best program and turned the entire tradition around in a couple years… Now add in that the school isn’t in a football talent-rich area or state…

    So yes, I can say with confidence that the hypothetical situation I described would be true. It simply makes sense, even probably to someone like you, although you can’t stand to admit it.

  • Keith #26


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 10:21 AM EDT

    I would have hired Joyce Meyer.

  • Hoosier Clarion #27


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 10:33 AM EDT

    Again he brings nothing substantial to the argument because he can’t. A blowhard of no consequence.

  • Hoosier Carlton #28


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 10:40 AM EDT

    There was no reason to fire Bill Lynch.

    IU Football cannot be turned around.

    The overall loss record speaks for itself.

  • BARBWIRE BILL #29


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 11:32 AM EDT

    AMEN CARLTON——With Lynch the IU football program always had ‘a little bit of something’ and traded it for ‘a whole lot of nothing’, an enormous gamble——-I agree that KW is certainly qualified for the job, and wish him the best, but IU got rid of any continuity the program ever had in the last 15 years——-Lynch was just starting to fan the flame lit up again by Hep when they trashed everything———IU has spent the GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT OF A SMALL COUNTRY to possibly beat Ohio State someday, but still loses to Ball State and ‘squeaks by’ Indiana State——–but alas, Lynch is gone now——-a pretty special era that was never fully appreciated at the time, and someday will, probably sooner than later——-

  • Double Down #30


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 2:00 PM EDT

    The point I made in bringing up Crean was only to illustrate that people were calling for his head just as loudly as those are calling for KW. It was particularly meant to emphasize that people can be utterly unreasonable and incoherent in the way that we root for who we like and throw knives at those we don’t

    The path for KW to turn around IU football is obviously a much more daunting task. Basketball programs are MUCH easier to turn around regardless of what name is on the front of the jersey. There is enough talent out there to spread around and, because of stupid NBA draft rules, the talent turnover is really high. Filling a roster with 14 guys is way easier than 150.

    There are only a few truly inspiring turnaround stories in football in the past decade or two. On a national level, Boise State, Virginia Tech and Oregon are the most prominent and, in Oregon’s case, it took the money and financial backing of Phil Knight to get them to where they are. In the Big Ten, Northwestern and Wisconsin are great examples. Turn arounds can be done, but it is much harder than any other sports.

    We like to talk about being cursed at IU and, because it is so bad here, it is tempting to go full-Cubs-fan. But previous neglect by our Athletic Dept (prior to Greenspan) to see the realities of what it takes to compete in college football in the modern era really set us back.

  • Really? #31


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 2:06 PM EDT

    Oh, c’mon, people aren’t calling for Wilson’s head. There are some who are criticizing him, which comes with the territory, but just about nobody wants to replace him at this point.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #32


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 2:30 PM EDT

    Isn’t 4th on an ND depth chart usually equivalent to Hoosier Football Hall of Fame? Even Jules Verne’s Captain Nemo aboard his Nautilus has yet to explore such depths an IU football shelf hidden at leagues beyond and below the unimaginable an ND lineup.

    The lowest IU football depth chart likely misses the cut at the Lingerie League. After listening to Geoff’s bleak retort, I’m beginning to wonder if Wilson just took the job as a stepping stone to a Victoria Secret locker room.

    Gunner was more a symbolic blow than anything else. It was one of the top prospects in the nation taking a closer look at the new savior our tiny pigskin village full of misfit football culture and still viewing it as nothing more than tacky window dressing. Dont’ get me wrong, I think he’s a pansy piece of sh*t for breaking his commitment simply because his big brother, Dusty, wasn’t getting undeserved snaps and starts. That being said, it was still a very large bubble of hype and infusion of anticipated hope(no matter the ‘hindsight, best sight’ his freshman PT/depth status at ND)immediately bled of all air just when Wilson could have used a big name player to add a bit of national attention and validation his ‘pedigree’ background and name proving enough influence to move more than molehills in limestone country.

    So much of sports is a combination of momentum and perceptions gaining steam on itself.

  • Geoff #33


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 6:46 PM EDT

    I’m not trying to paint a bleak picture for the future, I’m simply trying to manage expectations of the present. I think that Wilson’s philosophy and leadership gives IU the best chance it’s had since Mallory to succeed, go to bowl games, and be somewhat relevant. That seems about all IU can hope for in football. I just don’t see how any school that doesn’t have a really rich football tradition, like OSU, UM, ND, Neb, can have sustained success in the Midwest when most all the HS football talent is concentrated in the mid-atlantic, southeast, southwest, and west coast.

  • Podunker #34


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 7:08 PM EDT

    HC, you were correct. He brings nothing substantial to the argument. And, no one ever wins a s&@t-slinging contest.

    I think post #28 exemplifies a big part of what is wrong with IU football. Too many people infected with the helpless, hopeless, never going to improve virus. Fortunately, we can all remember reading similar posts about Crean and IU basketball a couple years ago, so we know things can change for the better.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #35


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 7:16 PM EDT

    Rich in football tradition(OSU, ND, Michigan) in terms of the Midwest, Geoff. Maybe my recollection is wrong, but the Big 10 champs never really had a ton of success to brag about in past Rose Bowls(other than very sporadic). I’ll leave it to you to check the stats and disprove my assumptions…Maybe go back to the early 70′s up ’til the present.

    IU Basketball is rich in tradition nationally.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #36


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 9:02 PM EDT

    Since 1970, I counted 11 of 42 Rose Bowl victories going to the Big Ten team. And maybe it changes this year, but my most recent recollection is USC pretty much having their way with ND the past few years(even if played @ South Bend).

    Even if IU succeeds in the seemingly long and exceedingly challenging road to become relatively competitive amongst the powers of the Midwest, it still doesn’t say much considering the dismal performances of many the best from the conference in the bowl games that have put the conference on stage the biggest viewing audiences.

    Stick to hoops. Stick to your strength.

  • KevinK #37


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 9:38 PM EDT

    #32,
    You have sunk to a new low. I suspect that you have no real knowledge of the Kiel situation, just your own twisted surmise. Personal name-calling attacks against 19 year olds? Sad.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #38


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 11:21 PM EDT

    Yeah, you’re right. I don’t know the specifics or know the kid personally. We all know the perceptions and the innuendo that was going on at the time he backed out his commitment. Do I really need go searching on this very blog for many of the suggestions being forwarded by other bloggers that Wilson’s open-minded attitude to let the best QB win the job could result in ruffling the feathers the prized recruit, the younger brother a Hoosier QB fighting for PT, down the pike?

    But you are right, the name-calling is unfair.

    Aren’t we all a bit guilty of thinking the worst when a big time recruit backs out his initial intention to play for are beloved Hoosiers(especially if the change of heart gets exceedingly close the anticipated season their arrival)? Case in point: The rumor bombs dropped and the over-the-top harshness(character assassinations?)aimed toward Trey Lyles?

    All in all, you are right, KevinK. My words were unfair and not very classy. I went overboard.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #39


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 11:26 PM EDT

    I still believe that Gunner’s decommitment was a very symbolic blow to the new coach.

    Could one imagine the setback to our collective basketball mindset if Cody initially committed to Indiana and then changed his mind to attend NC?

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #40


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 11:48 PM EDT

    Or, are we admitting large recruiting setbacks in football do not sicken our stomach to the same degree our prized targets to wear the candy-stripes? If this be the case, then please inform all those on Scoop never ceasing to remind that football can and should one day share an equal stage to basketball in Bloomington. The level of disappointment is often the passion a love turned upside down.

  • Geoff #41


    Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - 11:53 PM EDT

    Harvard – Why are you telling me to stick to my strengths after you just bolstered all of my points? I don’t know if you thought you were disagreeing with me (even slightly), but just because I didn’t take the extra step that you just took for me doesn’t mean we don’t agree 100% on this…

  • Hoosier Carlton #42


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 1:00 AM EDT

    Whoever compares IU Basketball with IU Football is not playing with a full deck. We are perennial winners in basketball. We are the absolute biggest losers in FBS all time. Crean recruits via banners. Wilson relies on pancakes and dog food.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #43


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 5:23 AM EDT

    As I said, Geoff, coach Wilson took a lot of early hits:

    1. The faster than expected climb of IU basketball back to the forefront of national attention(obviously, the landing of Cody Zeller propelled the majority of that momentum) usurped much of focus and fan interest that was building on football during the lackluster and tumultuous times our last decade of hoops. Can that interest be sustained now that basketball is solidly back at center stage and on the cusp a return to an elite status not experienced for a very long time?

    2. The losing of a very anticipated and prominent top recruit, a gunslinger QB with the appropriate name ‘Gunner’ to boost the hype, that was going to be the centerpiece of the offense. When “Win Today” was hitting the billboards, Gunner’s interest was fading away. That doesn’t give a ton of validation for the new guy at the helm.

    3. Just when Tre Robinson was showing a lot of promise and providing a bit of relief the negative feelings that losing a supposed “star” QB could infect upon the hard luck shots a Memorial Stadium seemingly destined for grief, the dynamic and surprisingly good start for Tre is cut short by a nasty injury in the second game of the season.

    I guess it’s easy to say the slope of progress for IU football is about what should be expected given the momentous task Wilson had when he came to Bloomington. That being said, there was a lot of selling going on that was giving the impression things could change very quickly. Without the backing out a very promising QB and the subsequent setback to Tre Roberson(a kid that could add a lot of various dynamics to the offense), I’m not 100% convinced that the unexpected(some dominoes falling in terms of higher level recruits following behind Gunner along with some upset victories to keep the surging fires of hope burning) was completely outside the realm of possibility.

    There was a crack in the door for something beyond our expectations to take root in football. That opening closed quickly and now the slow grind of rebuilding football at IU appears even more daunting while in the shadows all eyes and ears back on Assembly as the hunt for a sixth banner in hoops consumes the campus and Hoosier fans across the continent.

  • Really? #44


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 8:54 AM EDT

    Don’t forget – it’s not your daddy’s IU football anymore —

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZiBTmvcJZs&feature=player_embedded

  • Podunker #45


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 3:53 PM EDT

    “We are perennial winners in basketball. ”

    Perennial winners? Well, I guess that depends on your definition of “winners.” But even if you apply the most liberal interpretation of the word “winner,” IU basketball has not been a winner for man years. And prior to last year’s team, the last time IU basketball had a winning season, the team was being coached by a cheater and the roster was filled with guys that were flunking out of school. I don’t think the majority of Hoosier fans recognize that group as winners. Duke is a perennial winner. UNC and Mich State are perennial winners, and IU is in the process of becoming a perennial winner once again.

    IU football will become winners when the Hoosier Nation demands they win, and are willing to provide the support necessary to create a winning football program. And that includes keeping the pressure on IU’s administrators and demanding that they do what it takes to build a winning football program. As long as the current level of apathy and/or pessimism remains amongst a significant portion of the Hoosier Nation, IU football probably won’t become a “winner.” But it has been done at universities far inferior to IU, and can be done again.

  • Top ten signs the basketball season is about to start... #46


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 4:24 PM EDT

  • Geoff #47


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 6:27 PM EDT

    Well Harvard, I’m not going to tell you I know about the sales job that IU put on during the Wilson hiring process, but I will say they couldn’t have said anything to me that would have changed my opinion that building success always takes time and a solid foundation, and anyone who got sold on a quick turnaround is naive at best.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #48


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 7:15 PM EDT

    Is not so much a “turnaround,” Geoff as being within a small chance to make things interesting. Gunner would have made things interesting. A very impressive and dynamic QB named Tre Roberson remaining healthy could have made things interesting.

    The right things fall in place and maybe Wilson gets us to a bowl game much sooner than all the hindsight gives validation the rational expectations now perfectly aligned the most probable results.

    Nobody can know with certainty if the outcomes against Ball State and Northwestern are different with Roberson behind center. Teams play more inspired ball from what can be the tiniest spark of momentum. Seasons can hinge on moments. Believe me, I know they are far from the talent level needed to be consistently competitive against the best from the conference. I never lose faith in the will of hearts to do special things. I believed it could happen if momentum kicked into place at the opportune moments for our basketball team last season(not to mention the pure happenstance that provided Remy an opportunity to get on the floor with more regularity).

    Sports are not just about stats and the measurable for Harvard ..There will always be the moments, the big shots, the jelling a team out of nowhere when synergy appeared forever lost..A will to win and a collective belief in purpose can make the not-so-naive experts appear lost in a dark corner with jaws in laps. I don’t watch sports for the expected. Some have a pulse on the unexpected. Some rely on sure odds to confirm their utmost intuitive certainty every bet their bankrupt wallet at the roulette wheel.

    Moments, Geoff. We recently heard the presidential election was all but over. Moments, Geoff. Fortunes can turn on the dime.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #49


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 7:20 PM EDT

    Three more championship banners than any other team in the Big 10. Five more than the Washington Huskies and PU combined.

    We’re not only perennial winners, we’re five helpings of ‘pedigree’ whip cream on a tradition sundae. There is no state in the nation more rich in basketball roots than Indiana. Many programs outside our borders have benefited immeasurably the key components in their lineups augmented by Indiana ‘winners.’ And if are reputation had dwindled so low, then please tell me how we attract such an up-and-coming quality head coach as Tom Crean even when the heels a NCAA witch hunt and a vindictive Myles Brand(wounded by a fan base that symbolically cast him out of Bloomington)casting our program into a concocted national scandal over what becomes a ‘nothing’ issue in one year after the meltdown, as Tom Crean? Tom Crean is ‘pedigree’ and we matched up perfectly with a program all the foundation in place(not to mention a scrub named Cody Zeller)to catapult IU right back to the level of always being a team capable of winning titles. It may not always be in the cards…Indiana could have ten banners with a few referee calls changed, a slightly different path through the tournament, the removal of injuries that occurred at most inopportune times, etc…Banners are very elusive…Ask Butler how elusive they can be.

    Indiana has never been removed its ‘elite’ status in basketball. Elite basketball talent grown in our backyard that is forever the envy all corners of the college basketball world.. Minus the win-loss record during the years following the witch hunt, Indiana has rarely had a team that didn’t have a realist shot at trips to Final Fours and championships.

    There are no guarantees and even the best coach Cody could have a bad game. Or even with an average and crooked coach(UK), immense talent can be the difference.

    I think we’re perennial winners because we’ve nearly always had a shot. I found an interesting video today. I forever hope recruits come to Indiana because they believe strongly enough in the candy stripes.. I think Matt Roth, a Sampson recruit from Illinois, came to Bloomington with a firm belief the uniform was as relevant to wear this era as during the days when all the calls and balls bounced the right way to bring home the banners. But it’s not just about banners. The embodiment of that confidence to always be on the cusp of a capable march to while honoring the spirit and undaunted trust in work ethic is what still leads a kid to Bloomington. It’s the realization that rich talent mixed into tradition in varying proportions maintains that motor to be something no other basketball school can truly duplicate.

    Just listen to Jonny Marlin explain what led him to Bloomington(0:48 mark). These are ideals first and foremost under Tom Crean. It’s why Roth is cleaning grit out from between his toes and Jonny holds the final “chosen” walk-on slot.

  • h. empty glass #50


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 7:22 PM EDT

    In which AD Glass himself makes things interesting

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #51


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 7:27 PM EDT

    oops..There are no guarantees and even [with] the best coach Cody could [still] have a bad game.

    And my apologies for the rest of the run-on sentences, lack of proper paragraph structure, and inadequate grammar…I never gratuated from high school. I sorta dumped those last two posts out rather haphazardly. I sorta dump all my posts out that way. Flush. Moments. Dime. Turn. Banner. Jonny. Roth where are you?

  • h. empty glass #52


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 7:41 PM EDT

    More oops:

    And if [our] reputation had dwindled so low, then please tell me…

    Well said.

    As for the debates just you wait until Obama puts on his Frozone costume and looking Romney straight into his eyes will say: “I can stop global warming.”

    Just another moment to look forward to.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #53


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 7:46 PM EDT

    And what would we do without Remora and Husky Podunker? It sure wouldn’t be very interesting.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #54


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 7:49 PM EDT

    Thanks for the correction, h.umptyglass.

  • davis #55


    Thursday, October 4, 2012 - 10:53 PM EDT

    Dunbar- FYI, in Dec. 2011 Rudy agreed to pay $380k to settle a securities fraud complaint filed against him and others by the SEC. The allegations were that Rudy Nutrition was duping investors by using bogus claims (Outsold Gatorade in test markets!) No admission of guilt by the accused in the settlement agreement I presume, but if you know anything about SEC complaints for things such as this (and I do a little bit), the SEC only devotes its resources to go after either 1) the worst of the worst or 2) easily proved cases.

  • Hoosier Clarion #56


    Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 10:50 PM EDT

    Davis, I most likely know less than you but I would tend to think #2 is very possibly more truthful than the other option. I have a friend who was railroaded into admitting guilt by big brother. I have never been into conspiracies but I keep my head on a swivel.

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