Commentary: NCAA on the case (or studies in uncommon sense)

67 comments by   |   Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 10:41 pm EDT

It’s only fitting that on election night, the NCAA would hand down yet another decision wrapped in bureaucracy, red tape and legalese that exceeds the bounds of common sense.

For the paltry sum of $185 (and given 20 years ago), college athletics’ governing body deemed Indiana’s Hanner Mosquera-Perea and Peter Jurkin worthy of each serving a nine-game suspension.

I shudder to think what the punishment may have been had the sum reached quadruple digits or had it been given more recently.

But at least the NCAA has caught red-handed one more evildoer. Mark Adams and his minions will think twice before they try to help another young man attempt to further his educational or career opportunities in the United States of America.

And let this serve as a warning to recent college graduates as well — if you have any aspirations of being involved in athletics at any level at any time in your life, think twice before you give a cent to your alma mater and three times before giving to the athletic department. You never know when such a lurid skeleton will jump out of the closet.

At least the nine games will give Perea and Jurkin plenty of time to take a long, hard look in the mirror and think about what they’ve done. How foolish of them to trust a charitable organization or accept the aid of those they trust and rely on (the role of parents and family for most of us) in a foreign country. Clearly, the lesson is to only lean on the kindness of strangers with their own agendas and interests — mainly in the big payday the players might one day provide.

Plus now they’ll have a whole month to figure out how they are going to pay that money back. For Jurkin, it shouldn’t take too long to panhandle $250 on a Bloomington street corner. Perea on the other hand may have to sell all of his worldly possessions and live in a van down by the river (or an RV with assistant football coach Mike Ekeler) in order to cough up $1,588.69 without violating any more NCAA rules.

Meanwhile, the failure of Indiana University to previously report this egregious error on Mr. Adams’ part and render former Hoosier Tijan Jobe ineligible will cost IU a $5,000 fine.

Fortunately for the Jobe and the school, the Hoosiers only won 10 games in those two seasons, so there’s really nothing left to strip.

It just goes to prove that the NCAA has its heart in the right place, even while its head is stuck firmly up its you know what.

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67 comments:
#1
Ron
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 10:56 PM EDT

Well Said

(My comment was too short..?)

 
#2 Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:27 PM EDT

If you think the NCAA is bad, think about the bureaucratic nightmare created by big govt President Obama.

 
#3
Cutter In Chicago
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:32 PM EDT

Game. Set. Match. Laurel and hearty handshake for this

 
#4
Chet
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:34 PM EDT

Hey, if I can pay it drop me a note. I’ll be more than happy to and I’ve never given a cent to an athletic booster club.

But…I have given plenty to underprivileged kids in other countries, so maybe I’m allowed.

Dustin, seriously, I’ll pay it if I’m allowed. Let me know.

 
#5
hoosierjc
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:35 PM EDT

AMEN. You are preaching to the choir.

 
#6
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:37 PM EDT

Could much of this NCAA investigation aimed at Indiana revert back to those in power within the halls of the headquarters in Indy still holding loyalties to Myles Brand?

And is it possible that the ongoing loyalty/reverence for the deceased former president of the organization(a man burned in effigy on the Bloomington campus upon the firing of Knight), fueled with the Establishment-driven attention given to A-Hope by Mike Fish at ESPN, have a substantial impact on another frivolous witch hunt aimed in our direction?

If these investigations and subsequent penalties are ludicrous, then where is the motive? Don’t such large amounts of money spent on frivolous NCAA investigations and the dollars and time investment in media attention point in the direction of agendas bordering on personal vendettas and conspiratorial behavior? Does it not have the appearances of desires to even a score?

But, with our objective eyes, how can we claim the NCAA is less conspiratorial in a 3-way call investigation than the unveiling of seedy influence and power players within IU and their ties to an AAU team where many our top players were drawn in? Did we have to offer Perea and Jurkin spots on the team to have the full support of the AAU organization when going after Cody? Do we even have this investigation if the AAU organization didn’t hold so much power over our basketball program? And isn’t strange that once we land Zeller, Drew Adams moves on to work for Steve Alford?

 
#7
Chet
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:38 PM EDT

…or Jeremy. I’m used to corresponding with Dustin.

 
#8
Laffy
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:39 PM EDT

Bush expanded the government BIG TIME and you Righty Retards NEVER complained.

And speaking of Righty Retards, I’m sooooooooooo glad my fellow Hoosiers turned down the Tea Bagger Fruit Cake for Senator.

 
#9
Chet
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:40 PM EDT

Aruss, turn your head to your left. That’s your colon you’re looking at.

 
#10
Chet
Tuesday, November 6, 2012 - 11:47 PM EDT

Aruss, this is your colon speaking!

 
#11 Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:07 AM EDT

Chet,
As I now understand it, Perea and Jurkin are actually allowed to repay out of their scholarship money. So you’re off the hook.

 
#12
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:19 AM EDT

That is poverty money (my kids “lived” on scholarship money). It is food stamps for smart (or athletic) people.

If there is a fund to pay it back, let me know. To help a kid from Columbia or the Sudan go to college is a great place for my money to go.

 
#13
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:22 AM EDT

Sorry Mitt.

 
#14
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:45 AM EDT

I’m not sorry for that evil SOB. Thank God enough people saw him for the sorry POS that he is.

 
#15
psych
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:55 AM EDT

Might be the first, and only time, that HofH, Chet, and I agree on something. I will take it.

 
#16
jessejim
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 9:57 AM EDT

The NCAA is sending a message. Do not self report – it makes us look bad. If you do we will come down hard on you. Also there is no statute of limitations on being a donor!

 
#17
IUGRAD
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:19 AM EDT

NCAA is just like OSHA . They are gonna get you for something…. Just hope the damage is kept at a minimum

 
#18
IUMIKE1
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:37 AM EDT

Laffy at comment #8 and Chet at comment #14, couldn’t agree more. My faith in the American people is restored to some degree after these two being defeated.

 
#19
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:57 AM EDT

IUGRAD, I had a dangerous job back in the day and I remember my employer wanting us to hide or disguise pretty much all of our standard practices whenever OSHA came around. I always felt like, WTF, if they think this is dangerous for my health or safety maybe we should do something about it.

Like anything, it can get out of hand, but just imagine what corporations would do if there were no one checking on health and safety.

psych, I’ve agreed with stuff you’ve posted before. You probably wouldn’t be on here if there weren’t things we agree on.

 
#20
IUoptometry
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 11:04 AM EDT

Who does the “checks and balances” for the NCAA? I feel like they could make any ruling they want because there is no outside entity looking over their shoulder to make sure their decision is fair and acceptable. Does anyone know if there is some organization that looks over these decisions that the NCAA make or does the NCAA have the final say all by themselves?

 
#21
Reality
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 11:22 AM EDT

Evil SOB, POS, retards, tea baggers… it seems clear our nation is shifting to the left.

 
#22
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 11:42 AM EDT

IUoptometry, you’re right. They do seem to operate above the law.

 
#23
kurk81
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:16 PM EDT

Jeremy/Dustin/Andy: I saw yesterday something about IU’s intent and right to appeal to the NCAAA to reduce the penalties. I don’t recall ever hearing of them reducing a penalty, but what do you hear or conjecture about the likelihood of reducing the suspensions to fewer games?

 
#24
Geoff
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:28 PM EDT

Reality – actually I think it’s shifting toward the middle. There were such clear lines drawn by both the left and right over the last 8 years that it’s been a turnoff to people who can’t identify clearly with those agendas (which is most people). Most people agree with parts of both platforms, so you naturally shift to the middle, when before there was such partisanship maybe they called themselves a Dem or Rep because they agreed with more things on one side than the other. Now there is such a stigma attached to labeling yourself one or the other that there is no incentive to do it unless you’re a hard-liner.

For example, I agree with the right on gun issues, some tax issues like estate taxes, issues surrounding small business, energy independence, and a desire for smaller govt… While I agree with the left on issues around women’s and civil rights, diplomacy, education, and some tax issues like capital gains. There are still some issues I’m undecided on or think need a combination of both philosophies. Case in point, healthcare… I’m not sure Obamacare is the best option, you have very intelligent researchers on both sides giving compelling arguments for what it means. I think universal healthcare is a good idea, but lean towards it being handled at the state level instead of the federal level. In fact, I think almost every law should be handled at the state level and not mandated throughout the country. We are a diverse group and should be able to be American somewhere if we don’t necessarily agree with how the state we currently live in is handling things.

I digress, but yeah. I think if you are a confessed and proud neo-conservative or part of the Christian Right, then you definitely see the country as moving to the left, but in “reality” the population and politics is shifting to the middle. We re-elected Obama, but the Congress picked up Republican seats to remain red, and we voted in more Republican governors yesterday, but the Senate remained blue.

I think a great, and maybe trend-setting, decision was made in Maine yesterday when we voted in Angus King, an Independent, by a vast majority over Republican and Democrat senatorial candidates.

 
#25
Laffy
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:41 PM EDT

You can’t point to Congress as a barometer of anything because the districts are so gerry-mandered right now, only the extreme wackos have a chance of winning.

If I could change just ONE thing to fix our country, it would be to re-draw the Congressional districts so that moderates have a chance to win.

In the Senate races, the TeaBaggers got their butts kicked.

And I’m really sick of Righties crying “Obama is taking our freedom away” when they want to ban porn….wow….tell people who they are allowed to marry and FORCE rape victims to have the kid.

 
#26
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 12:46 PM EDT

Geoff, I agree. BOTH parties have been drifting to the right. Eisenhower, Goldwater, Reagan, and on and on, would never make it in today’s Republican Party, it’s gone so far to the right. Obama’s policies are to the right of Eisenhower and, in many ways, Nixon.

Additionally, there are virtually no real liberals in politics. Maybe Bernie Sanders, who, interestingly, will never lose an election in Vermont. He’s just that popular.

The populus is somewhere in the middle. The tide ebbs and flows. I hope we can get a Supreme Court that has actually read the Constitution so we can get rid of the absurd Citizens United ruling that turned elections into a bidding war. I think most people want that to happen.

 
#27
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 1:23 PM EDT

Laffy, I live in one of those districts. Asheville got snatched out of the middle of the county and put in a district with uber-conservative Gastonia, 90 miles east.

 
#28
Geoff
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 1:34 PM EDT

Chet & IUPUI – OSHA certainly serves a purpose… But just like the NCAA it does border on the ridiculous at times. The government also has some overlapping agencies which not only create redundancy and waste money, but depending on the business, imposes more regulation and fines on them. I have a very good friend (and former basketball teammate) whose family owns a decent sized excavation and concrete production business. They mine 1.5M pounds of concrete sand every week at one of their pits. They are not only subject to OSHA, but also an agency called MSHA, which does independent and unannounced inspections. My buddy told me how he was fined $2500 a couple months ago because he didnt have the proper metal blast covers over 5 light bulbs in the garage that is over 2 football fields away from the work zone. The garage doors open away from the digsite and the purpose of the blast covers is to prevent debris from a mining explosion to strike the bulbs and have broken glass falling… Because of the distance and layout, it would be an impossibility, and if there were an explosion large enough to send debris through the back walls of the building those lightbulbs and the small amount of glass would be the last concern…

So yeah, I can see the correlation between the NCAA and OSHA-type organizations out there.

 
#29
Mass Hoosier
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 2:25 PM EDT

Geoff,
Thanks for writing what I wanted to write. I was lazy, and I had to clean up leaves. I agree with what you wrote, I fall into the middle group you described. I am sick of people being elected by demographics or interests. I want people elected who really want to help this country and are proven leaders.

 
#30 Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 2:37 PM EDT

Kurk81,
Indiana is appealing the decision. And if this was the NFL or MLB, I’d say there was a decent chance of the suspensions being reduced to something like five or six games. But this is the NCAA, and we all know the NCAA is: (1) never wrong; (2) never admits it’s wrong; (3) doesn’t care about the court of public opinion.

Keep in mind that IU and the NCAA have been corresponding on this since the summer, with Indiana having already asked multiple teams for Perea and Jurkin to be made full eligibly to play. I highly doubt the NCAA reverses course after all this, and if it did reduce the suspensions, I won’t be surprised if it’s just from nine games to eight.

 
#31
vgBMG
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 2:45 PM EDT

This just in!!!!! The NCAA has announced that four years from now that a person has to donate at least $500 per year to even be considered an athletic booster. Also, it will be okay to call/text/twitter prospective athletes anytime except between 3 A.M. and 3:30 A.M.

 
#32
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 2:49 PM EDT

Mass Hoosier, IMHO, our President fits that description more closely than anyone who has held the office since FDR.

I’m very excited to see what he will try to accomplish without an election to worry about. Once the Florida vote is tabulated he can certainly claim a clear mandate from the voters.

 
#33
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 2:51 PM EDT

vgBMG, we’ll, at least that would be consistent.

 
#34
iuhoosier1992
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:14 PM EDT

IUoptometry, technically the NCAA is an association and the ones that over see the NCAA are the members of the association which are the universities affiliated with the NCAA. In basic terms the NCAA is enforcing the laws or rules that the member universities create. They have really pushed this boundary over the last 10 years or so. The NCAA was created to be the police because it would have been very expensive for the universities to police themselves regularly. The problem is that the member universities have given the NCAA so much power that the NCAA has now become judge and jury. Beyond the scope of their original design. If the universities don’t like what the NCAA is doing, it is up to them to change it and take that power away. Problem is the only real way to do that is break away from the NCAA, but who wants to be first?

 
#35
OldIUGymnast
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:20 PM EDT

Chet,

I agree 100% but if you think that the Republicans won’t come up with 10,000 fake scandals, continue to hold up appointments, filibuster everything, and then try to come up with a blue dress for impeachment purposes… You haven’t been paying attention. That being said – I truly hope that there is enough shame and a few decent people in that party that can put a stop to that. I would LOVE to be wrong.

Oh and the NCAA decision is so insanely insane, I don’t even know how to comment on that.

 
#36
Mass Hoosier
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:21 PM EDT

I agree he can be a cool cat, but his leadership is still in question with me. The people have spoken, I’ll wait a few years before I compare him with FDR.
I think both parties are full of sheet.

 
#37
Mass Hoosier
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:25 PM EDT

I apologize for talking politics on this site. I’ll stop now.

 
#38
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:32 PM EDT

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5. I went on uber to the 7-Eleven to get an uber-Slurpee(It’s a small).

4. How did Hoosier Brunch get started? Dustin spending uber-hours on uber-styling Kartje’s uber-the-top, uber-fauxhawk…UBER-MOUSSE!!

 
#39
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:33 PM EDT

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#40
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:33 PM EDT

2. Hoosier Scoop? It’s the Uber Yacht Club for the uber-grandiloquent of sub-uber-urbia You know it’s true, so quit giving me the uber-stare.

 
#41
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:34 PM EDT

1. Geoff’s uber-Establishment <a href="http://www.stillnetstudios.com/wp-

 
#42
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:37 PM EDT

oops

1. Geoff’s Establishment badge.

 
#43
Geoff
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 3:42 PM EDT

How did you get a picture of that? Do you have one too? Although it’s kinda weird, I just went looking for my badge and couldn’t find it… Fishy.

 
#44
Iso T-Storms
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 4:08 PM EDT

For those insomnia sufferers out there, I have a miracle cure:

Go to The Hoosier Scoop anytime there is a thread discussing NCAA rules involving Geoff, Harvard, Podunker, Chet, etc. I guarantee after reading 3 or 4 posts you will be in a deep slumber.

The last time I was this bored on a Hoosier blog was when Downing gave us his verbal tour through “the student sections” of the Big Ten on the old Basketblog.

 
#45
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 4:09 PM EDT

shhhhh…Do you really want Scoop bloggers to know about that one night at the Portland Uber Inn?

Alternative #1 for the Uber Top 10:

1. Tom Crean’s uber-fantasy: Joyce Meyer discovers her inner uber-yazoo.

 
#46
TsaoTsuG
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 4:21 PM EDT

Optometry…completely agree with you. This is a classic case of a bueraucracy gone amuck. The NCAA obsviously was checking specifically into the relationship between AHope, the academic qualifications of Mosquera-Perea and Jurkins and (IU’s)(Tom Crean) recruitment.

They found absolutely nothing; or rather… something. They found that Mosquera-Perea and Jurkins had both properly matriculated in their schools in the US. They found that their Colombia and Sudan education was acceptable according to NCAA and US standards. They found that AHope used athletics to do its ministry, arranged for kids to be given guardianships as their lives are improved by individuals like Adams who are convinced that intercollegiate athletics can be used to improve this Earth. Now, that may interfere with the NCAA’s business model that every sweat earned dollar should go to them, to their executive team that negotiates the hundreds of million dollar contract with the media and tv networks, the advertising agencies and their investors and the complicit through inaction University presidents and Boards (sometimes in conflicting interests situations) that run it.

So, when a conflicting interest that appears to get in the middle of the gig appears, such as Admas’ non-profit, the relationship with one of the institution and no rules are broken…that bureaucracy becomes even more paranoid and threatened. And they dig deeper, and deeper until the find something like a 20-year old donation. They’d never charge the school with breaking the rules. That would raise a legal case and threaten to expose the NCAA. So, they send down a ‘secondary’ violation that does not appear to impact enough for anyone to challenge it. And, in the process they erode and erode until at some point the building has to come down. Or so they hope.

I really don’t like our acceptance of this. Not even if they declare a ‘no penalty’ violation. I don’t think we should drop it. The NCAA may not be raping us but they are sexually molesting us repeatedly and I do not feel like we should accept it.

I think Glass has to do his job (everyone who reads this should know that I’ve been a big fan of his performance).
So does the President of this University Dr. Michael McRobbie who earned $533,000 plus in 2011-2012 (after a $53,000 raise this year) and housing and expenses while the NCAA has been painting Hoosier faces with brushes dipped in dung simply because some third ;eve; bureaucrat found himself sexually aroused by a picture of a 1985 cheerleader in an old Yearbook.

The same is true of the Board of Trustees. Time they do something besides eat sardines and drink cocktails. They must order- yes I said ‘order’- the President of the University and its administration to completely reject these findings and the ‘sanctions’ and challenge the NCAA to go to Court, opening itself up to audit by the IRS and review by Congress (just like baseball).

We can learn a lot from this year’s football team. Sometimes you stand at the table and say ‘now its our turn to play!’ and even if you lose some, you win yourself back!!!

I really believe we do this, we swamp the IU administration, the NCAA, the Legislature, the public newspaper opinion and letters sections, the blogs with mail and fight…or lay down naked and let the NCAA abuses us with all of the impunity of Jerry Sandusky at Penn State before someone said enough!

God! I wished Bob Knight was still at IU today. He’d know what to say and do!!!

 
#47
Iso T-Storms
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 4:33 PM EDT

Oh God I left out Tsao in my last post. How on earth did I talk about somnolent Scoopers without mentioning Tsao, the king of them all?

Dear me. Too many lagers in my lifetime.

 
#48 Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 4:34 PM EDT

Tsao,
Not sure if you read the report, but Indiana self-reported this. They are appealing the penalties, but these are their findings. It was a mostly internal review. They can disagree with the rules and they can argue for less painful penalties for Perea and Jurkin, but the findings were not the NCAA’s, they were their own.
Also — and this is just a request — but could you please quit using Jerry Sandusky in connection with absolutely everything, particularly in situations when his case is not at all relevant to the discussion and serves only to advance an extremely crude metaphor? Thanks.

 
#49
Laffy
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 4:41 PM EDT

Stop with the Knight-worshipping already.

Yeah, he always “knew how to say the right thing” which is why IU was always making excuses for his crap.

I lived in 9 states in 11 years. And I’d go to a bar to watch IU games. And everywhere I went, people said, “Knight is a complete jacka$$.”

 
#50
Macropodaphobia
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 5:34 PM EDT

Bob Knight is the perfect human being.

He does best in a presidential debate setting… though, standing, I mean, such a debate would certainly end with him standing…

At the tip of the hat he could provide chairs for Clint Eastwood to talk to. What more can you ask for?

 
#51
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 5:37 PM EDT

The same Establishment that called Knight a jacka$$ because he found a way to beat their East and West Coast alma maters now put him in the ESPN chair, slobber all over his brilliance, and treat him like the Einstein of hoops.

I can only hope Crean’s religious bigotry, over-recruiting, “it’s Indiana” salesmanship, blowbag bullsh*t gifts at a podium, clap-happy ringmaster antics with the crowd, and every other trick he has up his sleeve, can locate some coaching substance behind all the show and hang three more banners while Seth and Digger massage Bobby’s toes.

Twenty years from know, when I’m Tsao’s age, I’ll delight in calling him the second biggest jacka$$ to coach at IU if it comes with three more banners.

 
#52
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 5:41 PM EDT

oops. Twenty years from [now]…

Yours truly,

Uber-Goober.

 
#53
Geoff
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:07 PM EDT

Seth works for CBS not ESPN, so I doubt you’ll ever see him massaging Bobby’s feet.

I wonder if Dustin can stop Tsao from using UK as his example for every recruiting post he puts out…. If you do something corrupt or ridiculous you must be Sandusky, and if you aren’t recruiting only 4 year players or you are over-signing you must be Kentucky… Never any middle ground in Tsao’s world. (now that the PSU guy is off the table my guess is he uses Hitler as his go-to)

 
#54
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:16 PM EDT

During the tournament they worked in conjunction and Seth made plenty of desk commentator appearances on ESPN. I’m sure he got in some backroom massaging of Bobby’s new Establishment toes. He probably licked them clean in between with his objective tongue.

 
#55
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:22 PM EDT

^Dustin-

Please allow the above Seth Davis toe cleansing of Knight help you in replacing the impregnated visual of Crean extracting milk from Bobby’s fully-formed old Hoosier breasts.

 
#56
Geoff
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:54 PM EDT

I don’t remember Seth Davis working for ESPN, seems like a breech of contract issue, but even if it happened I doubt Bobby would let him anywhere near his person…

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2009-12-20-smith-knight_N.htm

As we know, Bobby’s not exactly the forgiving type.

 
#57
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 7:09 PM EDT

CBS/Turner, CBS Sports Network Add Coaches As Guest Analysts For NCAA Tournament Coverage
by Ken, under CBS Sports, CBS Sports Network, College Basketball, NCAA Tournament, Superstation TBS, TNT, truTV

We have a couple of notes from CBS/Turner and CBS Sports Network on the guest analysts each entity will have on their sets.

CBS will bring in St. John’s coach and former ESPN analyst to its New York set to join Greg Gumbel, Ernie Johnson, Jr., Charles Barkley, Kenny “The Jet” Smith and Greg Anthony. In Atlanta joining the Turner set of Matt Winer, Steve Smith and Seth Davis will be Villanova coach Jay Wright.

Take a look at the CBS/Turner press blurb.

O.K., Bobby held Seth by his earlobes in the backroom while he got his toe cleansing.

 
#58
Geoff
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 8:35 PM EDT

Thank you for showing us that Seth and Bobby didn’t work together and that Seth didn’t do guest work for ESPN…

I knew that didnt sound right, but it is weird that you actually provided the proof.

 
#59
TsaoTsuG
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:04 PM EDT

Dustin…that fact, self reporting on knowledge available since 2008, became clear to me when I read Glass’ statement. We knew…we knew!! the violation was there!! Someone in the athletic office knew the relationship between Adams and the IU alumni (the Varsity Club) I assume made the relationship with Mosquera-Perea and Jurkin problematic for Indiana and a likely violation of the rules- inconsequential as the $185 may appear.

This is not the first time some dumb-a__ at the Athletic Office may have gotten us in serious trouble and caused us great embarrassment as an institution that prides itself in doing things “clean”. Just as we knew that Sampson was coming to Indiana with a history of violating rules regarding recruit contact driving us straight into some of the mos shameful, depressing moments in Hoosier history.

I knew about the rule! I gad clearly caught that in the instructions some school I had checked out (I’m trying to remember which) had made clear to any alumni wishing to get involved in recruiting. Once an individual becomes a “representative of the athletic interests of [an NCAA member school], they remember so forever and that was in the website explanation the Compliance Office at the particular school was emphasizing. It was no secret.

I would go on and discuss it, but that would negate the intent and the revelation of your comment Dustin. That, in 2008 Greenspan and his administrators in compliance KNEW and, evidently, hid that fact. They dug the hole where the bus they threw IU under drove. I applaud Glass for the disclosure (and now think we were lucky with the penalties). In a sense Mosquera-Perea and Jurkin have Greenspan and administration (was anyone aware at the Varsity Club?) to thank for their financial loss since they will be paying out of their meager $3500(+-) scholarship checks back to the NCAA.

And, the press has a responsibility to ask, and dig and pester when our institutions fail us and allow themselves to violate trust. Or when head coaches give gobbledeegook and double-speak incoherent answers when directly asked. And the reporters need to insist and loudly point it out when they become evasive as was pretty obvious last week.

Just as I think you Dustin asked a legitimate question but didn’t pursue it and didn’t get much of an answer. The role of the press in looking into bad practices and irresponsible leadership (like the Greenspan administration), also needs to be held accountable. When institutions like the press ignore or remain passive in fear of losing accommodations and benefits like the pregame buffet, access, seating charts, etc; it can only lead to scenarios like those in the Sandusky matter where an environment that doesn’t want to see makes the most repulsive and exploitative situations a matter of probabilities.

That’s how the Penn State scandal happened. That’s was the real tragedy. No one wanted to know and hid behind the sanctity of the athletic program. We will not let it happen at IU. If this relatively small incident of oversight is ignored, we would all be victims.

Graham Spanier, the pompous, self righteous, and ‘clout happy’, self agrandizing Penn State monarch who had became ‘the’ principal force in the NCAA compliance, ‘judgement’ process while, as charged last week, criminally covering up the ‘hidden secrets of decadence at PSU- because it wasn’t ‘in the best interest of Spanier’s favorite program, ‘JoePa’Paterno’s Happy Valley football sandbox, while his lieutenants, vice-president/head cop Schultz and Athletic Director Curley, covered up the grime. Luckily, even in the playground of the NCAA and its golden goose eggs, we tend to look down on child abuse. The three are now going to trial on criminal charges. The campus with them

Yet, while we are zealots about what constitutes ‘representing the athletic interests of a university’ and hold our ground on assisting athletes and, probably correctly so;…we still don’t have a rule about the abuse of children in this setting, using the program’s prestige and facilities and aura with the intent of abusing minors while covering up for rape and sexual deviation and abuse of minors in the context of our honored NCAA athletic programs.

That’s why the name of Sandusky and its relationship to the celebrated and seemingly ethical PSU football program (heck, even I believed it so) should never be forgotten. Because we don’t ever forget, we just gloss over and wait for it to happen again.

 
#60
TsaoTsuG
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:17 PM EDT

Optometry…given the revelations that someone in the Athletic Office knew back to 2008, I have to take back by earlier comment to you suggesting we were victimized and the rules too much to do about nothing.

I liked your statement, you are right to ask those question.

I have always believe that “man’s nature is to do and be good… he’s just much better if you watch him”

 
#61
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:21 PM EDT

Geoff-

Yeah, that was weird. Don’t know why I thought one of those affiliates had some connection to ESPN.

Anyway, keep the visual toe cleansing visual. I am of the opinion both formulate their points of view with Establishment bias, envy, and thick agenda, thus incapable of a genuine word when speaking, or not speaking, of Indiana basketball.

If you can’t see it in Seth and Bobby, you’d have to be blinded by the same affliction.

As I’ve told you before, I like Brent Musburger and he works for ESPN. There are decent and objective voices amidst much of the agenda and muck. Davis is exceedingly bias in his roots. Knight is forever bitter.

And I stand by what I said above…Many that used to piss all over Knight when we were winning championships now treat him like the Einstein of hoops. Maybe that’s not Seth Davis since he has plenty his own Establishment platform to work from. But for Bobby, many(including our current coach)can now look beyond the faults and have miraculously forgiven Bobby, while some Hoosier fans have turned a different 360, and have now gained a conscience they never had in the ’70s when the banners were being hoisted.

 
#62
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:41 PM EDT

…that probably should have said ’70s [and '80s] when the banners were being hoisted.

 
#63 Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 4:34 AM EDT

Tsao,
Greenspan didn’t know, actually. One compliance officer knew and didn’t tell anybody until 2011. That’s the story, anyway.

 
#64 Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 4:53 AM EDT

Also, I don’t at all suggest that the failings of Penn State should ever be forgotten. My alma mater (and I don’t say this as any form of athletics partisan, I mean my school and the place I lived for four years) will never be the same and it shouldn’t be. All of your critiques of Penn State’s administration in your second post are very fair and I don’t have any problem at all with you bringing whatever criticism on them that you find necessary.
But what I’m saying is that the method you use it sometimes is blatantly unnecessary and offensive, not just to me but in general. You are suggesting that the NCAA’s treatment of Indiana is analogous to rape. That if Indiana doesn’t appeal this and appeal it hard than they are “bending over and taking it,” which is an analogy I and I believe many others would find offensive, and frankly, would be something that if it ever got to the actual victims of Sandusky’s acts — and I certainly don’t believe they read this blog, but still — it would be offensive to them. I’m assuredly being unfair in singling you out with this because others have done it and for that I apologize, but I think that sort of rhetorical device — the use of rape as metaphor — has no place in civilized society.

 
#65
Podunker
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 7:13 PM EDT

“but I think that sort of rhetorical device — the use of rape as metaphor — has no place in civilized society.”

Bravo, Dustin!

 
#66
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 7:20 PM EDT

Is this really Cody’s Twitter page? I sorta figured, but wow…

 
#67
Geoff
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 7:30 PM EDT

And the answer to the elephant or donkey question is… Depends on his mood, the day, or the audience.

 


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