Glass: Penalties were harsh and will be appealed, but enforcement was fair

46 comments by   |   Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 4:53 pm EDT

Fred Glass doesn’t fault the NCAA’s Enforcement Committee. By failing to treat Indiana Elite coach and A-HOPE founder Mark Adams as a booster when Adams divulged in 2008 that he had donated $185 to the IU Varsity Club from 1986-92, Indiana committed an NCAA secondary violation, he said, and the situation deserved to be treated as such.

“The current people working at the NCAA who are vested in maintaining the integrity of the rules should not be criticized,” Glass said. “We violated that rule. We screwed up. We should get a secondary violation.”

But the reason Indiana will be appealing the NCAA’s decision, however, is that the athletics department believes the nine-game suspensions handed out to freshmen Hanner Mosquera-Perea and Peter Jurkin is too harsh. Mosquera-Perea and Jurkin received benefits such as travel costs, housing, food and clothing from Adams and the A-HOPE program which were considered permissible benefits before it was learned that Adams was still considered a booster. Now that those benefits are considered impermissible, the estimated dollar amounts ($9,007.92 for Mosquera-Perea and $6,003.51 for Jurkin) were the grounds used for the suspension.

“We think this is an unusual case so we’re asking for relief from the nine games,” Glass said. “… My understanding of this is that nine is the presumptive number given the dollars that were at issue. We feel that we should be given less than that based on the nature of the case, that some mitigation is in order. That’s what we’ve argued and that’s what we’ll argue on appeal.”

Glass said he’s uncertain when the NCAA’s committee that hears these appeals will handle Indiana’s case and Jurkin and Mosquera-Perea will not be allowed to play while the case is being appealed. He said it could be anywhere from a few days to several weeks.

Glass does however, believe that the rules on what constitutes a booster should be changed. As it stands, once someone donates money to a school or booster club, he becomes a booster for life in the eyes of the NCAA. This case, he said, provides a basis for an argument for a statute of limitations that would allow someone to shed that status.

“I think the rule should change so that we have some sort of time exception,” Glass said. “… The policy makers need to make a change. I don’t want to criticize the enforcement staff because they did what they had to do. But we ought to carve out some common sense exceptions to this thing.”

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46 comments:
#1
docdave
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 5:53 PM EDT

I think the worst part of this whole thing is making these guys come up with all that money. Not sure what the financial situation is at home, but I doubt $1500 US is just laying around. 9 games is a lot, I would say 4-6 would be more appropriate.

 
#2
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:08 PM EDT

Could the team sell all their unworn obscene ‘D-Rose 3′ shoes(unveiled at Hoosier Hysteria as Crean’s favor to give more exposure to Calipar’s biggest academic marvel and future NBA star) on eBay and use the proceeds to pay the fines? It would only take 15 pair($100.00 ea) to come up with funds. Those shoes represent everything wrong with college basketball. Switch to the shoe that doesn’t come with the endorsement of a college athlete that hired someone to take his SAT test…and the endorsement of the Kentucky coach that jumps from college to college while the NCAA makes Indiana the poster child for recruiting misdeeds. Yes, lets sell the all the boxes of ‘D-Rose 3′ shoes in the storage room for our upcoming season. I bet there’s more fifty pairs..We could probably come up with five grand. Even buying generic replacement Adidas we’ll likely net $2500.

 
#3
Geoff
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:30 PM EDT

So I just checked out the A-HOPE website… How anyone, ever could construe the program as an IU pipeline or give IU an inherent advantage is beyond me. It took 3 years before an A-HOPE kid went to IU. In the first 3 years they sent kids to Michigan State and UCLA and Southern Utah and Hartford and New Orleans… but not IU.

And just because the foundation is based out of Bloomington doesn’t mean the kids ever set foot on IU soil. They go to high schools on places like North Carolina and Virginia and New Hampshire and Illinois and Florida and Alabama and Nebraska… but only 2 kids have ever gone to school in Indiana, and that was in Richmond, and neither went on to IU to play basketball.

How did this story ever get any teeth whatsoever? Did people just decide not to fact check? It should have been summarily dismissed. I guess the Establishment does exist.

 
#4
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:36 PM EDT

Isn’t the conflict the fact that the person involved in A-Hope also had strong ties to the AAU program most of our top recruits were involved.

A booster can’t provide an Indiana player with a couple cheap gifts but he can get his son a job within the program? The salary paid for that job is not considered an impermissible gift?

 
#5
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 6:38 PM EDT

I think we got off easy. Should just shut up and move on.

 
#6
Laffy
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 7:31 PM EDT

Hillbilly offers more proof he’s the dumbest person on here and/or the biggest attention-whore alive.

 
#7
FireCrean2013
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 7:35 PM EDT

Crean is an idiot. He should be fired now.

 
#8
MarkMe
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 7:46 PM EDT

I was about to agree with Laffy on Hillbilly …when suddenly a new contender emerged!

 
#9
FireCrean2013
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 7:53 PM EDT

^ You? Absolutely!

As for Laffy: he’s a moron. Everybody knows that.

 
#10
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 8:00 PM EDT

Mount Pusuvius -

I’ve seen the SnailPond forum…You epitomize blasphemous attention-whore filth to a stratospheric pus-filled level.

You were likely putting Knight-cream all over your oily skin in the heyday our championships won. You continually bash Taso and call people Knight-worshipers on here while being the biggest hypocrite on the universe in your refusal to acknowledge the fact our current coach is more of a “Knight-worshiper” than any former Hoosier, coach, or blogger on Scoop.

 
#11
Podunker
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 8:27 PM EDT

It would be interesting to know what Tom Crean did or did not do to create the level of disdain FC2013 has for him. My guess is that Crean chose not to do something that FC2013 wanted from him. Care to explain the origin of your contempt for Crean, or are you just going to continue laying in the weeds and taking pot shots?

 
#12
Iso T-Storms
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 8:47 PM EDT

Podunker: would you ask a beaver to explain its large teeth? Would you ask the moon to explain its roundness?
Would you ask a port-o-potty to explain its odor?

Why do you bother with such questions, Podunker?

 
#13
FireCrean2013
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:24 PM EDT

Absolutely, Crean’s inborn incompetence and congenital smarminess is as evident as a latrine’s odor etc. — but Podunker has always been the slowest poke on the block…

 
#14
Chet
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:31 PM EDT

He was several levels of magnitude more successful than Steve Alford and that just kills him.

 
#15
Harvard for Hillbillies
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 10:36 PM EDT

“congenital smarminess”

I have to admit, that’s uber-zest.

 
#16
TsaoTsuG
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 11:24 PM EDT

Laffy…just a question out of curiosity. You’ve often used the forum to accuse posters, especially those who have Christian beliefs, of gay bashing, being homophobes, and attacking what you seem to consider the use of negative images against gays.

Yet, either yesterday or the day before that (I believe it was yesterday) you went off on someone and called that person a “fruit-cake”.

Needless to say, it surprised me.

Perhaps I don’t understand your categories and fruit cake refers to…well,.. fruit. So if you can shed light, I’d appreciate it.

 
#17
Laffy
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 11:45 PM EDT

fruit·cake
   [froot-keyk] Show IPA
noun
1.
a rich cake containing dried or candied fruit, nuts, etc.
2.
Slang . a crazy or eccentric person; nut.

I don’t see anything there having to do with homosexuality.

 
#18
TsaoTsuG
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 11:50 PM EDT

Chet…now that the water spout of the election passed… I had a question about your post the other day referencing the economy and different ‘wasteful’ sectors and investments.

Yet, Obama seems to also understand a very important point in economic policy, especially when related to apparent wastefulness and what seems to be planned obsolescence, i.e. defense industry and vehicles or equipment such as tanks airplanes that may be outdated the day they hit the streets.

The biggest concern for the US economy is employment. We see that now when our rate is at (approx) 8.0%, a figure most of the world envies but we consider unacceptable. A little discussed fact is that government spending in capital, equipment and goods is manipulated into huge, huge expenditures we simply may not need or could be more efficient in our investments as a way for government to intervene and sustain full employment.

In that sense, that is not so much economic policy as social policy. The assumption being that it is better to do ‘pass through’s through General Electric or Boeing than to do so with welfare or employment security checks. Especially when Americans are much more likely to accept that people are working for their checks than ‘on the dole’.

Just pointing that out. Social Security is more than acceptable because most think (and correctly) that the recipient ‘earned’ it. The problem that Obama may be having with his health program is not so much its concept or the way it will supposedly work as the resistance we have to anyone getting something for ‘no effort’/not earned/welfare, an idea some political extremes have been able to sell.

Someone once told me that American progress depends on one thing. Absolutely nothing happens until someone sells something to somebody else. That may be so with how we see America as well (thus, the importance of ‘marketing’ as an entirely separate technology of economic growth).

 
#19
TsaoTsuG
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 11:56 PM EDT

Laffy…OK…you’ve satisfied my curiosity. I accept your word here. Glad I asked.

 
#20
TsaoTsuG
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 12:00 AM EDT

Laffy…you fruit cake!

 
#21
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 12:21 AM EDT

Crean prefers Bundt cakes….They’re holier than thou typical fruit cake.

 
#22
FireCrean2013
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 12:57 AM EDT

You mean “holier than [thine]” I suppose…

Very accurate observation, I must say!

 
#23
TsaoTsuG
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 3:23 AM EDT
 
#24
Peggy
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 8:52 AM EDT

the resistance we have to anyone getting something for ‘no effort’/not earned/welfare, an idea some political extremes have been able to sell

Looks like, Tsao, like the “many Americans” you reference, don’t even understand the basic concept of the health care law. The law is doesn’t give handouts to those evil, lazy people you reference. No one is getting anything for free. Instead, it makes everyone buy into the system so that there is more money in the pool. It is ultimately a law that aims to MASSIVELY EXPAND PRIVATE INSURANCE, not distribute government freebies.

The right is so stuck on “principles” that it ignores what’s actually written down.

 
#25
bdotblot
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 9:47 AM EDT

Peggy, while that is true that there will be more money in the pool, the other half of the equation that hasn’t been addressed is that we haven’t managed to lower health care costs. I agree that everyone should be covered but those that are being added in are the ones that will require more resources to cover (i.e. pre-existing conditions, etc.)

Other countries have better health care than we do but manage to have lower costs yet our costs continue to rise. We should be looking at finding ways to accomplish this so that we aren’t spending so much of our GDP on healthcare and can focus on other things like our aging infrastructure. Throwing more money at a problem doesn’t necessarily solve said problem.

 
#26
Mugwump
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 10:01 AM EDT

^ Soon all this nonsense will go away. Basketball starts.

 
#27
Laffy
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 11:28 AM EDT

We could cut our health care costs in half if people simply got off their fat a$$es and exercised and ate right. But nooooooooo. They’d rather just bitch how “everyone else is screwing them” when it comes to costs.

People are lazy idiots.

 
#28
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 1:53 PM EDT

I agree with Laffy.

Then again, time is so constrained. It’s seems that with every technological advancement that could give us more free time inevitably changes nothing..We become wasteful with the technology. The work weeks don’t get shorter and those that struggle in lower wage jobs often find it easier and more economical to eat their way out of misery.

Do many European countries with successful national health care programs have similar socioeconomic issues that are contributing to the super-sizing of our population? And will the selling of the “American Way” in all aspects of marketing junk food, abundances, waste, and constraints the working class for the sake of mighty huge profits to only benefit the “healthy and fit” elite begin to influence health care on a more global basis?

Do the longer and longer work weeks, the decreasing value put on family time, the constrained wages in service industries, the tax laws that favor the very top income earners and hit harder the masses, contribute to the fast food culture that so many are indoctrinating their families into in this country?
We don’t model ourselves with the same values other cultures that believe in living with grandparents and caring for their families as a more extended unit, a team effort, over many more years. We thrive on independence to the obsessive degree..We shove our elderly out of our homes as quick as we can find a nursing home to lock them into. We strap ourselves in pursuing the ‘American nightmare’ that corporate America has convinced us believe an ‘American dream’. We do everything in excess. Puritanical ideals have been taken to the extreme..A conspiracy of sorts to keep those on the bottom forever on the bottom sustaining themselves on fast food because they’re so financially strapped and time strapped to keep living the nightmare forced out a dream: the many kids, the big house, the big credit cards, the big bodies getting into bigger and bigger SUV’s pulling into bigger and bigger homes with fatter garages and bigger kitchens and more square footage and more energy waste…

And what keeps getting thinner? The quality time is starved. With each generation we have less time to nurture, less time to educate at home, less time to cook, less in the pocketbook to afford the best grown in our fields, less hours to spend with roots our family, less involvement with grandparents that could take on some of the load in cooking and parenting responsibilities, less mass transit because of our love addiction to the automobile clogging our highways resulting in less time at that dream home before we realize a dreamy dinner will be on the table at 9:00 p.m. if we stop at the grocery store to assemble its beginnings. We thus decide to clog our arteries the same we clog our highways and find the nearest McDonald’s drive-thru, or the KFC, or the Taco Bell, or Jack in the Box, or the Bob Evans, or the Pizza Hut, or the Dominoes, or the Donatos….Maybe we’ll squeeze in an hour at the gym and work on our dreamy bodies while the kids sit home alone. We’ll repeat the vicious cycle tomorrow all over again. Fat highways, fat hours, fat lifestyle paid on fat credit cards because that’s the way fat capitalism works. Keep everyone down and make them ‘dream’ to be rich.

 
#29
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 1:54 PM EDT

oops. [It] seems that with every technological advancement…

 
#30
Mass Hoosier
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 2:52 PM EDT

Harvard, nice post, #28. So many people know this, yet so many live it. Now, that is a bunch of fruit cake.

 
#31
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 3:24 PM EDT

And the same goes for our values in college basketball…We abuse the time it takes to nurture a good product, capitalism and marketing goes crazy, because we want it all so, so fast.

It’s with true pride we do what we can to avoid the fat temptations our culture is built to reward.

We have a #1-ranked team in the nation taking to the hardwood tomorrow. And somehow we still did it outside the prizes of fast dreams built on emptiness. We assembled it from the kitchen with some healthy objectives in mind. It wasn’t a caloric, fast fattening-up of our program, with goals pursuant of empty education, empty challenges in the classroom, empty calories invested in the pride our school colors, and empty nutrition to our Hoosier hearts with cheers consumed only for the fat dollars a one-and-done passing through the empty drive-thru like a meal so quickly forgotten as the revolving numbered choices on a fast food menu board; the Calipari way with nothing but all McDonald’s cheeseburgers causing diverticulitis in the bowels our great basketball traditions.

We built this meal to a #1 ranking from the kitchen of Hoosier ideals and maple cutting boards that aren’t on counter tops merely for show; a balanced diet that values the fueling of the mind as much the wallet. It’s o.k. to have the occasional fast cheeseburger, but we proved a lean fighting machine can still be built with values put on patience and nutrition that’s good for the game and the hearts of fans invested in names that stay for more than the time it takes to pass through the drive-thru window an athlete only motivated by fat pocketbooks and fame.

Tom Crean is our master Hoosier chef and now he shall serve the Establishment and all those that lost their way at the Golden Arches drive-thru for the ease and temptations of quick ratings and junk banners built with empty nutrition for the student-athlete, a healthy Indiana dinner of winning hoops. Bon appétit.

 
#32
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 3:36 PM EDT

^For those of you that think I’m only anti-Crean, the above was a compliment for our head coach.

 
#33
Laffy
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 4:02 PM EDT

I don’t think you’re “anti-Crean”, I think you’re an attention-whore who says the most stupid crap that pops in your head just to get attention from people.

You’re like Limbaugh and Coulter who don’t believe anything they say but just want a reaction from people because your mommy never hugged you.

 
#34
Donald Trump
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 5:08 PM EDT

Breakthrough evidence.

 
#35
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 5:18 PM EDT

Go look in the mirror, Mt. Pusuvious.

Dustin has no scoop? Here’s a scoop: Your soul is eternally filled with pus, SnailPond pus…oozing and oozing and oozing like lava out the rotting bottomless hole your giant infested soul. What was it…? Something like over 4000 entries of pure naked Laffy misery?

Mommy never hugged hillbilly? Momma hugged your daddy plenty after the crime took place. I guess that’s why all her hugs for you held so true. It’s o.k., Murdouck intended it that way.

‘Crime’… Notice how I didn’t use any of your favorite vulgarity used at SnailPond? It’s a skill. Fester in the pus of your jealousy fed from your mommy’s breast.

 
#36
Laffy
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 5:47 PM EDT

We should buy you a thesaurus so you can type something besides “pus.”

Did you post at SnailPond?

And in case you missed it, I’m not the only one calling you out on here for being a worthless loser who posts crap just to get some attention. The list gets longer all the time.

And spare us your phony outrage over “vulgarity”, fruit cake.

 
#37
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 6:08 PM EDT

Try moving away from your pusauraus. Yeah, I know the regular screen names of all those calling me out on here. They are cowards that once went down your road. They’re from the former Basketblog and they now must hide behind the thievery of stealing screen names or just doing drive-by digs because they’re so pathetic they don’t have the munitions to go against hillbilly without hiding behind their ever-changing names and curtains.

Name a regular blogger that wants me off this site. I’ll gladly leave if the regular bloggers of Scoop feel its best for the site.

I could be wrong, but I do believe Geoff still enjoys my company. I attack him, but I think he knows it’s from a different place the vile pus that motivates the true attack-whore on this site. I find Chet extremely witty with a kind heart(far more knowledgeable on sprots than he is given credit). I even enjoy reading Tsao’s long rants. I love his childhood stories. Hoosier Clarion has even found me slightly less distasteful than your pus.

Go suck on the crusty pus your blanket. I have no insecurities about the friends I’ve made on Scoop(and that includes Dustin and the rest of the Scoop journalists that know in their hearts I don’t seek to ruin anything…

I wish we could get along, Laffy. You condescend. You feel too threatened. I know behind all that vulnerability, there is a decent human being.

 
#38
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 6:11 PM EDT

Sorry, Chet

…far more knowledgeable on [sports]

I have a feeling Rico is gonna run with ‘sprots.’

 
#39
Geoff
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 7:28 PM EDT

Harvard, what you say about my feelings for you is true, but I also think you are needlessly cruel to Laffy. He in turn is needlessly cruel back and now it’s just ridiculous. I don’t think you should leave by any stretch, but I do think this place would be better off if you two cut the shit. At least when you come after me there is a point you’re trying to make (whether you actually believe it or not is another story), but all you and Laffy do is call each other names. It’s utterly pointless.

 
#40
Laffy
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 7:33 PM EDT

Who do you count as a “regular” blogger?

At least Geoff and TT agreed with me you are a worthless troll. How are they “hiding”?

You post here 20 times more than I do, fruit cake, so for you to whine about me is freaking hilarious.

And go F yourself with your “condescending” cryfest. You attack ANYONE that doesn’t bow down to your beliefs.

I was perfectly fine on this site instead you started whining “pus, pus, pus, pus, pus, pus, pus” because you disagreed with me on something.

Moron.

You’re just pouting because I didn’t let you bully me and punched you back in the mouth instead.

I’d make a joke about your mom and pus but I have too much class…….

Do you need a new blow-up doll to keep you company because you wore the other one out?

 
#41
TsaoTsuG
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 8:05 PM EDT

Hillbilly…please…no more ‘pus’
Laffy…no more ‘moron’ and ‘F’words

You don’t have to like each other. Not even ‘get along’..could you guys insult and provoke each other in a more civilized tone that allows us to show some of the ‘battle’ to the rest of the family.

Or I’ll kick some ______ a__. ‘I’m not too old to find you sonny’.

Please?

 
#42
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 8:15 PM EDT

Yup, you’re just oozing with “class.”

(whether you actually believe it or not is another story)

And that can be said for anything you put on this site, Geoff. There are conflicts in everything we profess to “believe.” I believe many are too afraid to say what they actually believe because they fear the wrath of being labeled something less than a true Hoosier fan.

As you said recently to Tsao, it’s not a world of “black and white.” I may appear astray in my convictions, but at least I try to visit them. Just as easily as you can accuse me of absence any true conviction, I could claim many are cowardice in unveiling the truth behind every word shrouded in the holiness of glimmering perfection and white.

We long for brotherhood and friendship, but I shall stand in contented solitariness before pretending I have no doubts entering my pupils and everything in this new bright Hoosier day(post-Sampson “cancer”) lives in a world of wholesomeness simply because the name ‘IU’ is superimposed upon images of the crucifixion.

As much as I invent terms like “Establishment,” I have examined and critiqued behavior and practices within IU that does not make me feel always proud. I’m not afraid to address it and I take a lot of “sh*t” for it. Case in point: I never get an answer to how some can attack certain fans as being ‘Knight-worshipers’ when our current coach has publicly done everything he can to include Knight back into our collective campus hearts; a coach that has frequently compared his efforts and his players to the methods and values adhered to by the former, polarizing coach.

We also continually point out the lack of tolerance in the political spectrum of our lives, take jabs at extremists(talk show hosts, bias TV networks with conservative or liberal agendas, religious zealots, etc), but we refuse to see how some of our own idols we ‘worship’ currently at Bloomington are borderline extreme and trending toward selected ideologies and faiths as ultimately supreme. And why does narrowness and extremism need to be incorporated into sports programs?

 
#43
Harvard for Hillbillies
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 8:25 PM EDT

As an old friend and most gifted man of words once said to me….it is time for repose.

The Alps beckon me.
Repose awaits in Lausanne and Annecy.

I have no parting shots, no last hurrah,
no clever response to parry your assualt.

Go Hoosiers!!

 
#44
Laffy
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 8:49 PM EDT

TT–

As I’ve said 50 times, I was perfectly fine on here until he started blubbering “pus” non-stop because he didn’t like what I said.

And I let it slide…….a lot.

Since Dustin let him get away with it, I wasn’t going to stay quiet……not my style.

He’s THE biggest jackass on here….and even you and Geoff (and others) said you were getting tired of his schtick too.

His diarrhea in every thread has driven lots of people away.

Dustin asked us to stop it….and I actually did (and he complimented me for it).

Hillbilly just got worse.

And Hillbilly, maybe you “never get an answer” is because most people just scroll thru your LOOK AT ME MOMMY bull**** and don’t read your questions (that’s actually the first time I’ve seen you ask it because I don’t read most of your crap).

Plus, they know you don’t even believe most of what you type and just say it to get a reaction because you’re begging for attention so why play your stupid game.

Hope you choke on your pus.

 
#45
TsaoTsuG
Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 10:06 PM EDT

“In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit…Amen” (sign of the Benediction). Please pass the meatloaf…

 
#46
Laffy
Friday, November 9, 2012 - 1:20 AM EDT

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, meatloaf…….

 


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