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  • Dunbar says:

    Mark Murphy is TERRIBLE. No wonder no one good wanted a someone with his “lineage.” Can’t wait til Tre is healthy. For every good throw Coffman makes he has two bad ones. And he obviously can’t move half as well as Tre.

  • Dunbar says:

    AND Coffman has more mix ups with running backs than any QB I’ve ever seen.

  • Podunker says:

    Yes, we need Tre back, especially for a game like this. But all I want for Christmas is a Big Ten defense. Just an average Big Ten defense! Playing teams like Penn State exposes IU’s defense for its lack of size, it’s lack of pass coverage and its terrible tackling. Seriously, some of the D-backs look like they are afraid to hit Penn State players. They avoid contact.

    It’s half time, and if Wilson continues to run this super-hurry-up offense, this could become another blow-out. I expect to see Coffman sitting in the second half.

  • Dunbar says:

    Agree with you, obviously. But until IU hires a head coach with a defensive background it will never happen. The whole definition of insanity thing. Until then, IU fans will just think it’s cute they can score some points and are “headed in the right direction,” whatever the hell that means. Cam Cameron’s teams were headed in the right direction for 5 years.

  • Dunbar says:

    Anyone who thinks Coffman is the answer, even for this lost season, is out of his mind. How can he be so consistently bad? Littrell or whomever calls the plays constantly has guys open, and it’s not like we’re talking difficult throws. Little rinky dink 5-yard outs, which is why even CC has the completion percentage he does. The fact Sudfeld didn’t get more time this year is mind-boggling. He at least has upside and looks like a QB. You’d think Dusty Kiel never left, watching CC play.

  • chris K. says:

    Okay, I’m ready for the off-season. I can’ watxh our defense anymore, I’m about to blow a gasket. That 4th-10 play that PSU converted is the last straw for my stomach. A lot of good things have happened this year, & I’m excited about our potebtial for next season & beyond, but I’ve had enough for now!!

  • Podunker says:

    IU is just not going to do well against big, strong, physical teams that play power football. IU is simply too small and too young, especially on defense. IU’s offense would have had to play perfect today in order for IU to win this game, and even then, I got the impression that PSU could have matched us score for score. Even the TV announcers, usually loath to criticize either team, made numerous comments about IU not being able to match up with PSU’s “power,” not tackling well, and getting “dominated” on the lines of scrimmage.

    For a guy that threw for over 420 yards, Coffman was at times today, simply terrible. In the fourth quarter, he looked like a cat on a hot tin roof. He missed numerous wide-open receivers, especially on his last attempt into the end zone. He missed numerous ultra-simple swing passes. On several key third down plays, he held the ball too long and got sacked. Is it me, or does he look like he’s trying to throw the ball too hard, as if that’s not his natural rhythm? I have no idea why he finished the game. Sudfeld should have played in the second half.

    On the positive side, IU did not quit. They have some great receivers. They play a lot of really young players that will get bigger and better. Most importantly, they have a good chance to beat Purdue next week and win their fifth game of the season. That would be significant progress and exceed most fans’ expectations for this year.

  • Higgi says:

    Unbelievable how many drives stalled because Coffman couldn’t hit the wide open WR and/or throw a more catchable ball. IU should have had at least 3 more TDs, and been able to keep PSU’s Offense off the field for much, much longer…

  • Podunker says:

    Dunbar, I don’t think Wilson’s going anywhere for a long time. And IU does not need a head coach with a defensive background/mindset. What IU needs is one coach that has overall authority over the defense. That coach should have a proven record of success in building and coaching good defenses. Make him the Assistant Head Coach and pay him as much as you can afford. In spite of some improvement this year (but really, the defense could only go in one direction), the co-defensive coordinator concept does not seem to be producing enough improvement fast enough.

    Wilson’s not going to change the defensive coaching staff after this year, but he may need to do that after next year! I doubt Wilson can afford to maintain the current arrangement on defense beyond next year? Assuming all the players that have verbally committed actually sign their LOIs on February third, it looks like help for the defense is on the way. But will that help be enough, or be ready to compete soon enough?

  • Dunbar says:

    I know he’s not going anywhere, obviously. But I certainly disagree with your assessment. IU already is “heavy” on the defensive side of the ball, remember? 5 assistant coaches to 4, or whatever it is. The only way for the D to ever get better is to hire a defensive guy, period. IU has tried this way over and over and over again. It clearly doesn’t work. You have to care about the defense more than the offense for once.

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    You boys are a blast to read.

  • AWinAZ says:

    IU will never be a Big Ten football power. Never Ever. I’m used to it & all of you others are too. We are all led by “hope” each season but that is proven to not win football games. We suck and always will suck. Let’s stick to basketball now that those wheels are back on.

  • Chet says:

    Yeah, and Army and Harvard are major football powers (unless Centre College can pull an upset of Harvard), Frank Leahy is the top college football coach (unless it’s Bear Bryant), the NIT determines the national basketball championship, and only white people can compete in college sports because, you know, nothing ever changes.

    Who’s on Ed Sullivan this week? What are you, sealed in amber?

  • chris K. says:

    I will have to throw this in too: I was very frustrated with Coffman’s inaccuracy today. He’s been pretty darn good this year, but he really hurt us today by missing open recievers on key plays. Not that that was our biggest problem, defense continues to be, & with that, let’s be honest–I’ve held off crityicizing the coaching staff, but an up-tempo offense is the last thing our defense needs. THAT being said, I also realize that it’s really just up-tempo to get to the line of scrimmage, not necessarily to snap the ball, but nonetheless…

  • TsaoTsuG says:

    You sound as if you are echoing Podunker’s thoughts. Nevertheless, today Coffman looked ‘skittish’ as if the ball was made of burning coals. As much as his accuracy, his timing was horrible and everything seemed to be behind the receiver or as if it were being thrown at one of Tom Crean’s recruits, Durking, Fischer or Vonleh. Coffman seems as if he could be a good passing QB, but seems to just want to get rid of the ball.

    I’m sure CKW has noticed it, he’s doing one heck of a job not being public about his feelings.

    The defensive backfield is like the levees in Venice….everything gets through and in a hurry. You’d think the other team is on a railroad schedule. Opponents see the CBs and linebackers and start yelling ‘All Aboard!’. Very frustrating because the defensive backfield and(some) linebackers do not even meet the most minimum reasonable expectations we can have.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:


    The season started ‘full steam ahead’ with anticipation and promise..We were dining and toasting each other to the future and of a place dreams we envisioned could come true…Always on the ship we board..Every season with christened hopes forward ..Always venturing onward into the mysteries of darkness with all our proud efforts packed in luggage, seeking a morning sunrise more beautiful than ever painted in fondest memories an unfinished canvas. The band played on.

    But voyages of mightiest effort are no match for the hand of fate, and from the distant fog and shadows of nasty sea, she came again upon our game of this game of football…a sudden impact, a sinking feeling as we witness the horrible injury to Tre, an iceberg of destiny lurking in the cold dark of unforgiving waters a tale already written. The band played on.

    Within seconds, every splinter of bone in Tre’s lower leg became the horrible sound our hopes and dreams being peeled back from the hull, ripping our hearts we thought stronger and unsinkable ..We trusted our fortitude, but we always knew she’s out there. Soon we wonder if she’s waiting only for us. She rushes in to all the compartments. We feel her taking us down.

    When all we’ve done seems faithful to the heavens…When all our work for the sake of making most our time, striving to be better in the eyes of stars drifting down upon our vessel so small from above, we still really have no say at all. Yet, we stand tall. The band plays on.

    For there is only one crueler fate. Blessed our journey not be a fate where truly believing in what is left to the land behind is better than the unknown arms to embrace us ahead.

    And though this season so wants to rest in a bitter and cold place of days a past that have come back from the depths our fears, we mustn’t blame her. We mustn’t blame destiny. She took us down but she holds us warm in her bosom..The heart with hope is eternal and it is prized by her in our humble refusal to go down easy. The band played on.

    Cherish the Hoosier ship for never stopping to make the glorious morning proud.. Soon there will come a story already told where nothing of the icy past can crush our burning desire. We will rise again from the rusted remains and claim back the iron in fortitude and earth in our true spirit. We will fight until our last maiden voyage will turn the sea upside down. And the truth, our strength, shall cast a flame upon destiny and from the darkest of days, discover the glory of a new dawn.

    The band played on.

  • Geoff says:

    “Durking”… Was that some strange auto type, or did you just invent a new recruit!

  • IUGRAD92 says:

    Good obvious spot on posts by many. Some final points of frustration.

    1. DEFENSE: I rewatched a number of games and although the db’s play is terrible as noted there is actually two larger reasons the defense fails continuosly. The middle LB’S ( 42 Cooper and 49 )are the worst LB’S at any level of football that have ever played the game. 2 MLB’S that should be involved ( due to how poorly we play defense ) in easily 20 plus plays per game. They are involved in approximately 3 per game. With two of those being missed tackles. There has to be kids in the band that can walk on and play better. They might blocks head every single play and get wiped out every single play. No attempts to avoid being blocked just straiht facemask to facemask – RB’S passes right be their hip enroute to normal 30 plus yd.. TD runs.

    The DB’S ( PSU 1ST TD of gm. )sometimes are in position to make plays. Watch receiver eyes – watch hands go out to catch ball – NOW – put your hands in between his as you turn your head to locate ball. This is a normal drill you do in youth football. Much like you teach them techniques to avoid being blocked. I swear to god if IU played in the famous Cal. / Stan. band game the IU defender would have bounced off the trumpet player and and been run over by the flutist.

    Sorry to be long winded. Lots of frustration for a season that should have nee better record wise. My son and the walls are sick of listening to me so venting here.

    IU is the only team that I’m aware of that have the co-def. coord. thing going on and have for years. It can not be lost on the IU football HC and AD that they are regularly one of the worst defensive in the country. Hmm. There has be be a young established def. mind out there to hire and give complete control too there has to be.

    In closing.

    Horrible call in BSU game at the end – replay out of bounds catch – add a second back on clock – they kick game winning FG on last play. Horrible. As I think we’ll beat Purdue and that alone costs a bowl chance.

    MSU game – failure to run some clock w/ 10 t. lead in 4th qtr. costs us that game. Thankfully I can take some solice in that in the Iowa gm. a lesson was learned and they ran out the clock and won.

    I hope in my lifetime they can be competitive and move to the upper level of the conference. They did alot of good things this season. Enjoyed watching an Adam Repogle play and a few other DL’S. We ultimately did well considering we played backup QB’S for the season.

    Of course I do not think in my life I’ve watch a qb ( CC )
    throw for 400 plus yards and think to myself. He’s not playing very well with the horrible missed throws.

    I love IU football. I have no idea why. Of course I also take high blood pressure medication. There’s probably not a connection.

  • Chet says:

    “IU will never be a Big Ten football power. Never Ever.

    Kansas State, for the time being, is the number one college football team in the country. Prior to the arrival of Bill Snyder they had the worst record in the FBS (yep, worse than IU) and were coming off a 27 game losing streak.

    I imagine there were plenty of K-State “fans” saying the same thing before Bill Snyder.

  • Ron says:

    Chet it’d be Notre Dame right?

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    Releasing the ball to late is exactly what the 2 Kevins are instructing Sophomore QB CC to not do. As Coach Wilson has stated early on, Cam is a laid back personality and they are focusing on his reads and timing to not reflect a lack of urgency. His delivery tempo has picked up(last 3 weeks), as TTG stated. So has his decision to run when nothing develops. Both good things. …Simply…OJT…

  • Iso T-Storms says:

    Chet- That was the perfect comeback; all you need to say.

    Oh, also, a black man will never become president of the United States.

  • Podunker says:

    Chet, bravo. You beat me to it. Kansas State football is the classic rebuttal to any of those defeatists that say it can never happen at IU. Although you must have jinxed KSU with your post (boy, they looked terrible last night), Kansas State is the model IU should strive for.

    KSU had terrible facilities, they had terrible attendance, they were the laughing stock of their conference, and they were, according to all the statistics, the worst football program in college football. And now look at them. Heisman trophy candidate, cover of Sports Illustrated (the SI jinx), and the #1 ranked team in the country (until last night). If KSU football can be transformed, there is absolutely no reason IU football can’t be transformed.

  • Podunker says:

    Kansas State University enrollment in the fall of 2010 was 24,378. It is located in Manhattan, KS, with a population of 52,281.

    Indiana University-Bloomington had a fall 2011 enrollment of 42,730 (75% more students enrolled). Bloomington’s population as of the 2010 census was 80,405 (53.8% more people).

    Both KSU and IU play in major BCS conferences that include traditional national powerhouse football programs. Both schools share the state with another major university (their arch rival school) located within the state (unlike Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Ohio State).

    Somebody explain why IU can’t duplicate KSU’s success in football. Demographics are not the reason.

  • TsaoTsuG says:

    I agree with the KSU analogy. Just want to point out that somewhere I read that one alumni voted to the Board of Trustees (look, this may be completely wrong but I think it may be one of the Koch brothers or someone of that ilk) and did not appreciate having the shool seens as a doormat. So, he banked and pushed the entire change, beginning with a new stadium and single handedly picked the coach (probably with a parallel promise of tens of million for a post retirement gig). I guess there is nothing wrong with that. If we want to do the same thing, the big money here has to start dialing the 812 area code. It can be done, but if you wanna do the walk, let your money do the talk.

    Actually, I respect what they’ve done at Kansas State. Would love to have it here. We’ll need the funds when it is time to say ‘thank you to Kevin Wilson and Tom Crean at the same time and continuing the upgrade of our facilities and resources. I’m reasonably sure that Mr. Glass is aware of all this and is right now planning to call each of you/us.

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