ScoopTalk: In which we discuss Noah


Share the Scoop!

33 comments:

  • Beard #1


    Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 9:50 PM EST

    Thanks for the Sunday Scoop Dustin and Jeremy. I think the most interesting part is the last few minutes where you discussed the scholarship numbers. One thing I did not know is that the kids can officially start signing next Wednesday. This makes things very interesting. Based on scholarship numbers I believe that 4 guys could sign and that would be okay. (The math here would be the current 13 scholarships minus Hulls, Watford, and Elston PLUS 1 oversign). That then leaves two guys waiting to see how things shake out.

    While Dustin and Jeremy don’t feel comfortable speculating about what may happen to make things work out I think we can agree that there are a pool of players that might leave early to go pro (Zeller, Yogi, VO, Sheehey — with only Zeller likely to rate at an over 50% chance of doing so). Then there are the possible transfer guys (Etherington and/or Creek with a possible Roth situation for Creek). Finally, there are Davis or Hartman who may look at the numbers and choose a different route before signing day such as prep school or de-committing and going to another school.

    Everybody always says these things “work themselves out”. But this one has the feel of having a lot of things left to work out. I wonder if we will be able to tell something next week during signing week or if it will linger well into next spring. I would think before the spring semester ends we will need to know a lot more than we do now.

  • Lil Hoosier #2


    Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:10 PM EST

    I was talking to Collin Hartman at a party a few weeks ago and he said he was seriously thinking about decommitting and going to Duke. Don’t be surprised if this causes him to make that decision.

  • Geoff #3


    Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:34 PM EST

    Interesting party… Did someone spike the punch? Why would Duke be recruiting a 2-star player from 5 states away?

    Now if you said he was thinking about going to Butler that would make sense. Good fit, playing time to be had, successful program that will give him a chance to stick it to the Hoosiers, can still be an in-state hero… And I’m sure Butler has seen him enough to be able to make a judgement on his talent.

  • Geoff #4


    Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:49 PM EST

    Thanks Dustin and Jeremy. Very good stuff. I’ll tell Hutch “thank you” in person for you on Wednesday.

  • Geoff #5


    Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:59 PM EST

    Looking at some box scores today… Surprised to see Sam Dekker did not start and only played 17 minutes in their win.

  • Hoosier heart #6


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:28 AM EST

    1) Creek graduates this year
    2) One of Zeller, Oladipo, or Yogi go to the draft
    3) Somebody will move on to another opportunity

  • Geoff #7


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:57 AM EST

    4) one of Hartman/Davis de-commits

    That has to be an option on your list.

  • Geoff #8


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:58 AM EST

    Although I guess 3 could cover that…

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #9


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 3:33 PM EST

    The only thing I take exception to in the ScoopTalk is the continual painting of Watford as the occasional loafer. I believe that label is a bit unfair. The minutes expected out of Watford were pretty demanding for a guy with that size. This team wouldn’t have made it to a Sweet 16 without his huge games and the momentum carried on his performances. If we overly focused up and down the roster on players that occasionally get burned because of trying to survive the pace or buy minutes vs. total exhaustion, then I doubt there would be a single name we couldn’t put the same labels. How can you expect a guy carrying that load and frame to go the pace a point guard? At the onset of the ScoopTalk, Jeremy stated Vonleh’s field goal efficiency was the only weakness he witnessed when he saw the phenom play in Indy…He attributed it to “tired legs.”

    Maybe Watford has enough savvy in his game to pace himself(at the expense of being called a loafer or someone with a lack of ferociousness/tenacity on every sequence)to still keep his “legs,” play big in big games, and hit season-changing shots against #1 ranked teams….? All players deal with fatigue and find ways to cheat the exhaustion. Hulls got burned many times on defense..We just called him slow and the “worst defender in all of college basketball”…Heaven forbid we raise the possibility he may be catching wind and loafing a bit on defense to keep his own arms from falling off.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #10


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 3:48 PM EST

    And there’s also knowing how to bring the right level of tenacity while still keeping yourself out of foul trouble. How do you foul out against Bryant? Some of these super-athletic phenoms our still projects in the sense of not understanding how to play a savvy style…They get too physical..they slap…they replace the craftiness and sneakiness a heady defender with brute and chest-pounding that attracts the referee’s whistle. Don’t mistake Watford’s clever and coy behavior to not having the heart of a champion. Even Muhammad Ali knew when to use a bit of “rope-a-dope” to manage discrepancies in power his opponent and wait for the proper moment to unleash his energy and skills.

    You don’t contribute anything when you foul or go to the canvas in the first round with all your macho tenacity preserved.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #11


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 3:52 PM EST

    You don’t contribute anything when you foul [out carelessly] or go to the canvas in the first round with all your macho tenacity preserved.

  • Laffy #12


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 4:11 PM EST

    Watford has been lazy on defense/rebounding a lot.

    And your “pace himself” makes zero sense because Kaintuck played 6 guys who attacked the board all the time.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #13


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 5:00 PM EST

    Until Cody’s arrival, Watford was flanked by Tom Pritchard, Bobby Capo, and an Elston not nearly 100%….Pretty easy to be singled out as the versatile lazy guy when you’re not surrounded at every position by top NBA draft picks. With the level athleticism on that Kentucky roster from last year, it would be far easier to steal minutes without it looking like the lonely lazy wart. The most versatile and athletic guy on a team full of Matt Novers will always be the targeted guy “not giving enough.” We see his versatile skills at the game eclipse the others and it’s natural human tendency to then believe his results are always a reflection of his effort that should eclipse them as well. So easy to paint Watford as the guy with no effort when teams(prior to Cody’s arrival) would key on him knowing he was often our best option.

    And let’s not forget that the one flaw some are still putting on Cody’s game is his lack hungriness/ferociousness going to the glass. I don’t see his occasional passiveness as any more becoming than the labels attached to Watford as a loafer. The only difference currently is with more weapons on the floor we’ll have better chances at victory no matter the flaws. Much of the targeting aimed at Watford began when the talent was excessively thin and our team was being annihilated all over the conference. Watford absorbed a lot of the ‘loafer’ criticism that came with those difficult days of being undermanned at so many positions on the floor. Rarely does anyone look for a goat when you’re winning.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #14


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 5:23 PM EST

    And much like Harvard, Dustin tends to hang on to his ego and proclamations a bit too long. Stubborn..Must be a bit of Irish to go along with the Slovakian.

    He started this gentle criticism of Watford being a semi-loafer long before his game started to shine that came with added weapons in our lineup. He wasn’t alone..Many thought the Hoosier ship could sail without Watford.

    Dustin is also likely to still believe Perea will one day be the next Hakeem Olajuwon..Dustin was as very, very high on Perea..He was about as convinced on Perea’s potential as he was low on Watford ever flirting with playing at the next level. He’s pulled back on Perea, but it took him quite a while.

    And Remy…Oh, the silence on Remy(giggle-giggle..nudge-nudge)

  • Geoff #15


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 6:10 PM EST

    “the only thing I take exception to…” in the Harvard posts are when he takes a generalism or restatement of a common perception and then decides that is the feeling of the person re-stating it. It can’t just be that Dustin says that the knock on Watford has been he may not always give consistent effort… It has to be that Dustin THINKS and PROMOTES that Watford is a loafer.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #16


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 6:45 PM EST

    I followed LiveChats of games, Geoff. I’m not saying Dustin was alone in that assessment, but I do believe he was pretty on board with the “knock.”

    Nothing wrong with the opinion. It was probably the majority opinion on Scoop. I just don’t find a lot of agreement with it. Watford is not a great leaper..Much of his role was to present another danger from the perimeter. It doesn’t really add up to tenacity on the offensive glass when he’s often out of position by design. I think his ball skills our exceptional for his size and we’d be lost without his multitude of threats in scoring the ball.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #17


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 6:52 PM EST

    How do you foul out against Bryant? Know there’s a door someone should be “knocking” on.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #18


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 6:53 PM EST

    [Now] there’s a door….

  • Laffy #19


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 7:06 PM EST

    Watford should have had a lot more rebounds last year.

    And Crean agrees.

    Example # 45,098 of Hillbilly saying something stupid just so people will pay attention to him.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #20


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 7:42 PM EST

    Cody should have had way more double-double’s last year.

    And Crean agrees. Should we all start calling Cody a passive loafer? Cody needs to show more tenacity and hunger for boards as well.

    I’m all for the criticism of Watford if in the context of not ignoring the multitude of positives he brings our team.

  • Ron #21


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 9:59 PM EST

    not much out of Watford tonight.

    All Remy, Holloway & Cody

  • Laffy #22


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 10:02 PM EST

    I’m not “ignoring his good points”, Mr. Attention Whore.

  • TsaoTsuG #23


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:12 PM EST

    Laffy…#19 and #22…want to start with the name calling again? Can you make a statement, even get involved in an argument, in a language we can all live with. I know I’d appreciate it. Harvard certainly has stayed away from visual imagery directed at you these last few days. Please.

    Just argue the issue Laffy.

  • TsaoTsuG #24


    Monday, November 12, 2012 - 11:23 PM EST

    Watford is not the kind of a player you can evaluate over one game or in a four minute span during a game, He’s a marathon player… and he is a player fundamental to the Indiana team. Over the last four years, particularly since Maurice Creek got hurt, no one has been more fundamental to Indiana surviving long enough to put itself in a position to win.

    Now we have the luxury of 3-4 players who can do the things only Watford could do before (Remy, Hollowell, Elston). He’s all blue collar and you can’t play without them. But, when it’s all on the line…he’s there.

  • Hoosier Clarion #25


    Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 8:46 AM EST

    …loafs at times during games, probably but no one on the team has the ball stripped from his hands more than CW, he certainly has multiple periods of time where he just plays too soft or he simply has weak hands and forearms…

  • coachv #26


    Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 9:41 PM EST

    hillbilly,

    as long as you are being critical of people here, you should know that “hungriness/ferociousness” are not words in the english language. i take it you are not an iu alum.

  • Chet #27


    Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 10:14 PM EST

    I’ll need to check the truthiness of that.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #28


    Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 10:39 PM EST

    Related forms

    fe·ro·cious·ly, adverb
    fe·ro·cious·ness, noun
    non·fe·ro·cious, adjective
    non·fe·ro·cious·ly, adverb
    non·fe·ro·cious·ness, noun

    Related forms

    hun·gri·ly, adverb
    hun·gri·ness, noun

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #29


    Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 10:42 PM EST

    >truthlessness><

  • coachv #30


    Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 9:30 AM EST

    new words become part of our language because they become common when uneducated people use them often enough to make it necessary. adding “ness” to the end of any word is the latest, lazy way of writing and speaking. next time try hunger and ferocity.

  • Chet #31


    Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 9:40 AM EST

    Yeah, I got irritated to learn some dictionaries have accepted ‘irregardless’ as a word. I hate that.

    ‘regarding’
    ‘regardless’ – the opposite of ‘regarding’
    ‘irregardless’ – the opposite of ‘regardless’ (though the people who say it are using it as meaning the same as ‘regardless’ which makes no language sense at all)

  • Chet #32


    Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 9:42 AM EST

    I have come to use ‘irregardless’ as an interview filter. If I hear that pseudo word you’re toast.

  • coachv #33


    Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 2:16 AM EST

    chet,

    add preventative, forewarn, reaffirm, and reassure.

Scoop Poll:

How many games will IU basketball win in 2014-15

  • 16-19 (45%, 145 Votes)
  • 20-23 (36%, 117 Votes)
  • 15 or less (12%, 38 Votes)
  • 24 or more (7%, 24 Votes)

Total Voters: 324

Loading ... Loading ...

IU vs Ohio State football

Men's Basketball Player Pages

[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_blackmon1.jpg]2590James Blackmon, Jr.
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard James Blackmon Jr. (1)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_zeisloft1.jpg]1970Nick Zeisloft
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Nick Zeisloft (2)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_hoetzel1.jpg]1600Max Hoetzel
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Max Hoetzel (3)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_johnson1.jpg]1440Robert Johnson
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Robert Johnson (4)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_williams1.jpg]1320Troy Williams
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Troy Williams (5)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_burton1.jpg]1170Ryan Burton
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Ryan Burton (10)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_yogi1.jpg]1140Yogi Ferrell
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Yogi Ferrell (11)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_perea1.jpg]1170Hanner Mosquera-Perea
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Hanner Mosquera-Perea (12)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_robinson1.jpg]1040Stanford Robinson
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Stanford Robinson (22)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_ritchie1.jpg]1010Nate Ritchie
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Nate Ritchie (23)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_holt1.jpg]1180Emmitt Holt
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Emmitt Holt (25)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_hartman1.jpg]1150Collin Hartman
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Collin Hartman (30)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_priller1.jpg]1310Tim Priller
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Tim Priller (35)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/mens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_april1.jpg]1400Jeremiah April
Chris Howell | Herald-Times Indiana University Men's Basketball head shots in Bloomington, Ind., Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers center Jeremiah April (44)

Women's Basketball Player Pages

[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_walter1.jpg]880Jess Walter
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Jess Walter (2)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_buss1.jpg]2250Tyra Buss
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Tyra Buss (3)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_brooks1.jpg]1190Larryn Brooks
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Larryn Brooks (5)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_agler1.jpg]1010Taylor Agler
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Taylor Agler (10)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_bell2.jpg]760Nicole Bell
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Nicole Bell (12)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_stratman1.jpg]820Liz Stratman
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_hulls1.jpg]750Kaila Hulls
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard/forward Kaila Hulls (15)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_mcbride1.jpg]740Karlee McBride
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Karlee McBride (21)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_gassion1.jpg]850Alexis Gassion
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Alexis Gassion (23)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_muensterman1.jpg]650Maura Meunsterman
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Maura Muensterman (31)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_mize1.jpg]640Andrea Mize
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers guard Andrea Mize (32)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_cahill1.jpg]670Amanda Cahill
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Amanda Cahill (33)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_jakubicek1.jpg]720Claire Jakubicek
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Claire Jakubicek (34)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_leikem1.jpg]630Lyndsay Leikem
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers forward Lyndsay Leikem (40)
[img src=http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/wp-content/flagallery/womens-basketball-player-pages/thumbs/thumbs_anderson1.jpg]590Jenn Anderson
Chris Howell | Herald-TimesIndiana University women's basketball portraits at Assembly Hall in Bloomington, Ind., Thursday, October 23, 2014.Indiana Hoosiers center Jenn Anderson (43)
  • RAM:

    What young team doesn't have improvements to make at this time of year [...]

  • 15 Miles North:

    So, does The Scoop not like my posts or am I stuck in some kind of spa [...]

  • Hoosier Clarion:

    Holt's 1st outing was impressive. He is farther along than Troy was a [...]

  • Harvard for Hillbillies:

    I don't know if I'm spinning it..I do know that Diamont sometimes spin [...]

  • Hoosier Clarion:

    Po, Your emptiness is silly. [...]

  • Chaz:

    What are some of you imagining? IU hung with OSU for approximately two [...]

  • Harvard for Hillbillies:

    We'll blow Eastern Washington out of the building. [...]


Find Notre Dame football coverage on NDInsider.com. © Hoosier Times Inc., all rights reserved.