Live Discussion: Indiana at Iowa

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  • Aruss says:

    Pros: 1) Vic being Vic – Andy Katz game him a shout out on Twitter 2) in crunch time, Sheehey always steps up 3) Watford’s motor was on today 4) team didn’t go soft with the “no blood, no foul” B1G road team officiating

    Cons: 1) in game coaching was suspect – your zone has them shooting 90% so why do you keep playing it? 2) substitution patterns were ridiculous 3) Freshman reminded us why they are Freshman – Yogi melted down again with late turnovers and missed free throws, Jeremy & Hanner were incredibly nervous 4) Hulls should not have been let out of the locker room at halftime – his rushed shots made his awful defense look good.

    Bottom line: Elite teams blow out bad shooting, unathletic teams like Iowa no matter where the game is played. We better get Jeremy & Hanner meaningful minutes vs. Penn State because we need them if we want to do anything special in the B1G.

  • Chet says:

    OK, give me a second opinion here. I thought the officiating was just brutal but I’m admittedly biased. Opinions?

    Since Jordy wasn’t hitting anything it kinda made me look at the rest of his game. I thought he was pretty effective all around.

    Vic is as good as anyone I’ve watched this year game in, game out. Cody came through when he had to, scored more than his average. The fact that we all expect more says a lot about the upside.

    Were they really getting back that quickly or were we just not pushing the ball as quickly up the floor as we have been?

    Happy New Year, guys.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Biggest defensive play of the game…? Watford sealing off an Iowa guard coming off a pick just before the 5:00 mark of the second half. Forced a turnover and killed Iowa’s pendulum of momentum during a critical point their strong comeback in the game. I haven’t looked at the stats, but Watford seemed to have very good positioning on the boards and pulled a good share of defensive rebounds down.

    And Cody….? He SUCKS. He really should be cut from the team.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Hullsdini! He’ll be back.

    If we would have had Matt Roth available as reinforcement on the perimeter(e.g. @ Penn State last year), we would have won by twenty.

  • AWinAZ says:

    A Big Ten road win is to be cherished. Plus, we should crush Penn St., as Hulls overcomes today’s odds by shooting about 75% there. He won’t go 0 – 10 ever….again. Never. I’ll take 2-0 to start the Big Ten season on the road ANY year no matter who we play….including Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Northwestern, etc…. We beat an 11-2 team which beat us last year. Take it, learn, get better, and move on men.

    Cody played well today & so did Watford, Olidipo and Sheehey.

    We overcame suspect refereeing, such as White holding Olidipo from behind on the putback Zeller airball and the phantom foul on Marble on the 3. Year after after the Big Ten refs aspire to recreate the NBA patheticness.

    Good, solid win.

  • Laffy says:

    Did I read Cody didn’t see the ball in the second half for about 8 minutes?

    Dude needs to grow some stones and demand it if they aren’t passing it to him.

    All I keep reading is “he’s a match-up nightmare” yet goes 8 minutes without getting a look.

  • Laffy says:

    Didn’t Jordy get zero points in a game before?

    So, you can’t say “never again.”

    You “smart” fans need to quit crying about the refs so much.

  • Aruss says:

    Watford and Zeller drive a fan crazy for the same reason – they don’t play to their potential. If Watford played with the passion he had today his entire career, he’d be an IU legend by now. Zeller scores 16 pts today by essentially floating around the court. Imagine his numbers if he played with a purpose and played big instead of small.

    We aren’t frustrated with them because they suck, we are frustrated with them because they have amazing talent that isn’t being utilized to its fullest. That’s why we and now the nation loves Vic so much.

  • Aruss says:

    I thought the officiating was normal for a B1G road team. Remember this game when you look at our home free throw advantage in upcoming B1G games. I was pleasantly surprised that the guys understood this is how it goes in the B1G on the road and didn’t turn into mental mush.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Cut the crap. This will rarely be a team anyone will dominate. There is far too much depth and rotation in the lineup.

    Hulls had 6 assists in 22 minutes today and all the bashers can talk about is the fact he proves himself human by not abusing the hell out of the center of the basket once every twenty games.

    Zeller is diving all over the floor for loose balls…To say the kid doesn’t have “stones” is completely foolhardy.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Iowa was getting away with a ton of cheap shoves(especially during their possessions). The flop by the Iowa player on the 3-pointer that Oladipo was called for a foul was beyond bad officiating. Stevie Wonder would have called it correctly as a flop instead of foul by sensing the overpowering cold hush in the sheepish guilt of the Carver-Hawkeye air.

  • Laffy says:

    Great post, Aruss.

    What the FAKE fans don’t get is that they do the team no favors, and actually hurt them, by always blowing sunshine up their butts when they play like crap.

    Most players, in all sports, have said for decades: “I love it when people tell me I can’t do something.”

    So, just showering them with praise even when they are horrible is just stupid.

    And Zeller’s job isn’t to “dive for loose balls all over the court.” We’ve been told 25,098,587 times “he’s the best center in college basketball and he’s a matchup nightmare.”

    That means demanding the ball inside and kicking their butts.

    Not going 8 minutes without getting a look.

    I saw Will make a 3 and, unless they didn’t show it, not point at his head and, even better, not prance around like Jessica Alba asked him to the prom.

    So, that’s good…….

  • Laffy says:

    Crying about refs all the time = reserved for those who nothing about the game and think all of our players should be put on Mount Rushmore

  • Podunker says:

    When we play Iowa in early March, it will be a 15 point margin of victory, or more. Has Hulls ever gone 0 for anything, ever, in his entire life? I can’t remember him ever doing an 0-for. It was an anomaly. If he simply hits three shots, it’s a comfortable victory.

    This was a good win because it will reinforce everything the coaches have been telling these guys about Big Ten road games, the officiating while on the road, etc. They’ve now heard it and experienced it, so they will be that much better in dealing with it from now on in.

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    Road wins are special because the environment is tough to overcome and almost always produces questionable calls. This 1 was even tougher with JH’s shooting eye off all night. 19 & 10 good #’s for CZ. Did anyone notice Iowa’s Freshman PG had the most minutes for the game. They are thin there + he is pretty damn good.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:


    That freshman point guard on Iowa was pretty damn good. When Marble has his normal shooting night they’ll be tough to beat on their home court.

    Did you catch Dakich’s comments about the IU vs. UK series? Normally not a huge fan of Dakich, but I thought he was spot on – going as far as saying the presidents of the respective schools needed to step in, go over the heads/selfish egos of the coaches and ADs, and give the fans back the storied rivalry they deserve.

  • Chet says:

    Are you trying to claim that a double double while scoring above his average on the road is somehow acceptable? Balderdash, I say. Let’s see, Jordy had 6 assists, 2 steals, 3 rebounds, and 0 turnovers in 22 minutes. Who exactly, was it that was abusing his defense? I believe Iowa’s guards shot something like 25% from the field.

    My gosh, the screamers rant is just silly at this point. Really boring schtick. I thought that show got cancelled. These must be reruns.

    They all looked terrible even though they won and they probably will lose every game on the road and no on knows what they are talking about if they don’t bad mouth every player on the team.

    Cut and paste for next game.

    Same stuff, different day.

  • Geoff says:

    Chet – it wasn’t your bias… That was as one-sided as refereeing gets. I have seen plenty of poorly reffed games, but this one was only poorly reffed for IU. Iowa had the benefit of all kinds of ticky tack fouls, and other gifts like the jump ball time out… Meanwhile IU couldn’t buy a call and had several fairly easy, obvious ones go the other way.

    I also thought this was Crean’s worst coaching performance to date. Sorry, but nothing he did worked, and he kept going to things that were working the worst.

    If it weren’t for Dipo and Sheehey hustling and getting freelance offense this would have been a terrible loss. Hulls, Watford, and Zeller were all fine, but it was nice to hear Dipo finally getting the respect he deserves.

    But… Glad we got a tough conference road win against a good team. One step closer to bragging rights.

  • Geoff says:

    Oh yeah… And the phantom foul on the Marble 3-ptr… Meanwhile Dipo gets wrapped up on the airball put back and cant get a call.

    Those refs tried as hard as they could all day to give that game to Iowa. I wouldn’t be surprised when I go back to watch tape that I see them blowing in Hulls’ ear on all his shots…

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Random Disjointed Thoughts:

    █ Not that it matters, but I think I mentioned the “phantom foul” in post #11.

    Zeller really stroking it nicely from the foul line..Very important. Lots of bigs can’t shoot worth a crap from the stripe.

    █ Remy Remix: Even though Remy isn’t scoring many points, it’s obvious Crean is beginning to feel his importance on the floor. Soon it’s all going to come together for Remy and he’ll be another versatile threat that opponents can’t take for granted.

    █ Why we’ll be better on the road? Yogi is the true difference-maker. Freshman of the Year? I never thought he would be this good at this early stage in his college game. His poise and penetration be our poison to equal any opponent’s attempts to control the pace.

    █ Old Weapons becoming more weapons. Hopefully Elston can begin to come around to the player that was growing into his true potential last season.

    █ Roadblocks to Early Chemistry & Rankings Perceptions: Considering the games Perea had to sit out, the injury to Elston, the illness that set Cody back for 2-3 weeks, and the recent sidelining of Hollowell, it’s a rather weak theory to claim this team was overrated.

    █ Absences: Let’s also not forget that many of the expectations leading into a preseason #1 ranking were based on Perea getting early action to develop and Patterson as part of the team(both adding substantial boards, athleticism, depth, and very intense defensive elements provided on the interior and perimeter).

    █ Natural Born Scorers/Glory, Guts, & Gumption: I do agree with Laffy concerning Hulls scoring focus. Good shooters always shoot themselves out of slumps. The worst thing Hulls could do is become gun-shy…and he won’t. Soon he’ll be Too Hot to Handle again…I do wish he would follow the example of Steve Nash and Justin Bieber… and get a haircut.

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  • Geoff says:

    Happy New Year to you as well…

    My guess is Yogi doesn’t win B1G FOY… He is certainly behind Stauskas right now, and Harris is more important to his team.

    I’d say about 2% of the preseason expectations hinged on Perea and less than 1% had anything to do with Buss.

    It is great to see Cody getting his FT stroke back.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Cody’s illness? Elston injury? Sidelining of Hollowell? Disagree on Buss…His perimeter and full court defensive tenacity(along with Oladipo) could have made a considerable difference against Butler.

    Anyway, did you catch Crean getting extremely vocal over the “phantom foul?”

  • Geoff says:

    Harvard… While you are well versed on the defensive “veracity” of Buss, your average AP voter had never heard of him, and for those that had its not hard to venture that he was about 11th or 12th on the depth chart. Now of you want to make the argument that IU’s “incoming class” was part of the high expectations then fine… But most of that was Yogi.

    I don’t think the team was overrated Harvard. I agree that due to a myriad of reason, many of which you mentioned, we haven’t hit our stride yet. I believe we are the second best team in the country right now, and could easily be the best come March.

  • Geoff says:

    woW… nede cofeee… Cnt type or speel

  • Hoosier Clarion says:

    Chet, Thanks for the heads-up, I just lost my mind for a minute(4 Heinekens on NYE)and I will refrain from all future posts of balderdash.

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