Live Discussion: Indiana at Northwestern

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39 comments:
#1
Mass Hoosier
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 3:06 PM EDT

The hybrid zone doesn’t look to bad today Geoff. Watford started strong, shots are falling and rebounding is there. Solid game plan. Sustainable ?

 
#2
Ron
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 4:16 PM EDT

ugly can be good but not time after time after time

 
#3
Kosher Salt
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 4:27 PM EDT

It seems like most games this year have followed and will follow a similar pattern: IU starts strong, builds a lead at the half, and then is forced by their opponent into a tense fouling and free-throw shooting competition down the stretch. Our margins of victory (or narrow defeats) then ride on the shoulders of our free throw shooters. There’s gotta be a way to

But at least today, Crean was able to coach Zeller into making his free throws, even though he failed to sufficiently coach Hulls into making his free throws (said sarcastically, for Laffy).

 
#4
Ron
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 4:37 PM EDT

Remember some of the early games when we were questioning why it took until the 2nd half to start playing. The good old days.

Yahoo sports lead story. “Hoos #1, Maybe Indiana”. Hope not

 
#5
Laffy
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 4:54 PM EDT

One of the worst teams has 3 players out and we barely beat them?

Did the refs screw us again?

 
#6
Chet
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:00 PM EDT

Vic has developed a nice long range stroke. Not a quick release, by any means, but he can’t be left open from 3 land anymore. I doubt we ever see a big three point game from him but he’s hitting them when he takes them and the threat alone helps open up the defense.

I’ll take an ugly ‘W’, especially on the road, not that it was much of a ‘home’ game for Northwestern. I kinda felt bad for the NW players. They’d rally and then, when the Hoosiers would hit a big shot the stands would erupt in cheers. That had to suck for them.

That last minute was bizarro offense for the Wildcats. They looked like they were trying to throw themselves at an IU player and the shot was an afterthought. The way they were hitting threes during their rally I don’t get why they abandoned the three point shot for the ‘and one’, especially considering the bad shots they were taking.

Still looking for a complete game in the conference but, in the words of the late Al Davis, “Just win, baby.”

That’s exactly what they did.

 
#7
Punjab
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:05 PM EDT

Another big lead almost squandered, but I’ll take the road win. NW is feisty, and you knew their shots would start falling eventually. This conference is too tough to not expect every team to make a second half run.

 
#8
Chet
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:14 PM EDT

I just took a quick look at the margins of victory of the top 20 teams. Going from memory, I believe Indiana’s 8 point margin was the third largest margin of victory among the top twenty teams that actually managed a win.

For those that want to say, “Well, it was just Northwestern,” the second largest margin among all ranked teams (again, from memory) was #23 Illinois’ loss to

…wait for it

…Northwestern.

 
#9
Laffy
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:19 PM EDT

1) Just Northwestern…..with 3 players out.

2) And you really can’t call that a “road” win. I saw a game there about 20 years ago. First of all, it’s the size of a high school gym so there really isn’t a big crowd to rattle you like most places.

Second, almost half the fans were IU fans.

Calling that a “road” game is like calling the Butler game a “road” game….very misleading.

Did the other Top 20 programs play Nobody University with 3 players out?

If not, don’t expect me to do cartwheels because their margin of victory wasn’t that big.

3) Illinois has to be the most over-rated team in the country.

 
#10
Stings like a bee
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:22 PM EDT

Oh, Illinois, the powerhouse: 1-4 currently and third from bottom. Meanwhile we lost at home to a team that even Iowa can beat.

 
#11
Kosher Salt
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:33 PM EDT

We will never beat Wisconsin in football or basketball, ever, again. If Lovie Smith’s downfall was not being able to beat the Packers (of the state of Wisconsin), then Crean/Wilson’s future should hand on similar criteria.

 
#12
Punjab
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:34 PM EDT

Just curious, Laffy. What would it take to get a “that was a quality win” out of you? NW just beat an Illinois squad that has wins over Butler, Gonzaga, and OSU. I’m not saying that the Wildcats or Illini look like Final Four teams, but they’re no scrubs either.

We’ve got one more game to work on half-court execution before the “easy” part of our schedule is over. Aside from the 1-3-1 stifling us and a few defensive lapses, I didn’t see a whole lot to complain about. Effort was there. We weren’t terribly sloppy, and we finally hit some clutch shots and FTs down the stretch. Nobody is saying that’s a great win. But can we at least agree we did what we had to against a capable opponent?

 
#13 Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 5:49 PM EDT

Dustin – what was with CTC calling you out at the postgame? Don’t let him intimidate you. You’re not his press secretary. His answer about 2nd half performances against Minne and NW was also douchey at best. I hope he isn’t thinking he’s getting too big to have his tactics questioned. Please stay on top of him for the good of the program.

 
#14
Good Time
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 6:06 PM EDT

Punjab
Sunday, January 20, 2013 – 5:34 PM UTC
Punjab said:
Just curious, Laffy. What would it take to get a “that was a quality win” out of you? NW just beat an Illinois squad that has wins over Butler, Gonzaga, and OSU. I’m not saying that the Wildcats or Illini look like Final Four teams, but they’re no scrubs either.

We’ve got one more game to work on half-court execution before the “easy” part of our schedule is over. Aside from the 1-3-1 stifling us and a few defensive lapses, I didn’t see a whole lot to complain about. Effort was there. We weren’t terribly sloppy, and we finally hit some clutch shots and FTs down the stretch. Nobody is saying that’s a great win. But can we at least agree we did what we had to against a capable opponent?

Good Time says:
My response is NO! They don’t deserve an at-a-boy for this win. It was a plain and simple UGLY game!
Let’s see if you can agree with this. IU started the game of with the ball going to Cody and CW and the lead kept growing and then what happened. How about the guard show came into play because i guess they wanted their name in the scoring stats. Once the guards took over, the game started getting out of control. Yes Hull had 15 points, so what he probably has blisters on his hands from handling the ball. hey sure didn’t come from passing it inside to the guy that should touch the ball every time down the court. If all they need Zeller for is to cover up for poor guard play, they I wouldn’t blame him if he took the first bus out of town to the NBA.

 
#15
Ron
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 6:43 PM EDT

One thing I question is the substitution rational.
16 in the first half and 16 during the second. Have no idea what would be considered normal.

About 2 1/2 to 3 minutes was the longest time w/o changing and that was near the end of the second half. Do the guys need the rest? Seems as if the constant change would disrupt the flow?

Balance between getting the new guys game time, which is needed, but not sure how much 1-2 minutes of game time will help.

Again, CWat hits a 3 than goes to the bench.

 
#16
Punjab
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 6:44 PM EDT

Good Time, I’m not sure i give them an attaboy for this one either. But the game overall wasn’t that ugly. We had an ugly 10-12 minute stretch, again, and it’s concerning that we still can’t play well for more than 30 minutes in a league game. Is that the only criteria for an attaboy, though? A full forty minutes of beautiful basketball? Seems a little unrealistic for a team that some claim (not necessarily in this thread) is so vastly overrated. Is it 40 minutes of effort? Because i thought the effort was there. What would it take? What, exactly, constitutes a quality win? I’m not trying to be rhetorical here. It’s an honest question, because we seem to have a lot of different answers.

Regarding the guard play, it has to be there. We saw what happens vs Minny and again when NW went zone today. if we don’t show we can play the perimeter, they take away Zeller with a new scheme and don’t let us get close to the basket. We’re blessed to have Cody down low, and Wat as another option inside. But that can’t be our only strategy, or people would be blasting CTC even more for not adjusting when they pack defenders down in the post.

Jordy had a decent game minus the three straight missed FTs. Yogi had some nice drives early. Dipo is all over the place as usual. That’s the formula we need to take pressure of our inside guys and keep everyone rolling. Zeller is a beast, but he can’t be our only option.

 
#17
Ron
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 6:55 PM EDT

Vic was all over the place. 2 rebounds, 5 assist (half of our total), 1 block (half our total) 1 steal and 1 turn-over. We’d be toast w/o him.

When Cody leaves for the pros won’t be by bus. Limo to the executive jet.

 
#18
Laffy
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 8:24 PM EDT

If they can beat Michigan or Minny, or even MSU, I’ll give them props.

But Northwestern with three players out?

Ummmmmmmmm, no.

They should have wiped the floor with them.

 
#19
Laffy
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 8:27 PM EDT

A lot of people say they don’t like Obama because he’s “arrogant” (which is ironic as hell because most of those people love Bush/Cheney and they took arrogance to a whole new level).

I didn’t see where Crean snapped at Dustin, but it looks like that starting to become a problem. If it does, I’ll support him even less.

 
#20
Chet
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 8:57 PM EDT

“Meanwhile we lost at home to a team that even Iowa can beat.”

Yeah…about that. You are talking about the team that’s tied for first place, with Indiana, and the team they lost to we’ve already beaten…at their place…right?

You know…never mind. That wasn’t even worth even responding to.

My mistake.

 
#21
Chet
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 9:00 PM EDT

“If they can beat Michigan or Minny, or even MSU, I’ll give them props.”

They DID beat Minny and you gave them nothing but endless crap about it.

So much for that.

 
#22
Laffy
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 9:06 PM EDT

If we beat them at their place I’ll be impressed. And if that game had been 5 minutes longer, we would have lost…probably by 10.

Saw this in an article on SI about today’s game:

“With most of the crowd decked out in cream and crimson, the Hoosiers wasted no time taking control.”

So forgive me for not calling this a “road” game when most of the fans were for IU.

And for not slobbering all over them because they barely beat a scrub team with 3 players out.

 
#23
Laffy
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 9:16 PM EDT

Just watched it.

It was a legit question.

Crean is an ass.

 
#24
southport 65
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 9:44 PM EDT

I mean really who cares if Laffy supports our Coach or for that matter anyone? The guy has no credibility so why bother to respond to him? He is just going to complain about IU basketball,our players and our Coach no matter what happens. I will say that if we beat Michigan or Minny or Michigan St. Mr. Laffy will never give this Coach, these players or this University anything but a badmouth attitude. Remember folks because I for one do not need a negative person running a blog because there are lots of other places to go read about IU sports with people who care about this team and our University. Sad but true

 
#25
TsaoTsuG
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:00 PM EDT

Dustin, completely uncalled for that Creans responds to your questions as he does. To single you out is a transparent attempt to intimidate you; thus unprofessional and arrogant. And, that’s the worse characterization one can make of his responsibilities, that he is handling them in an unprofessional manner based on personal vulnerabilities.

I hope AD Glass (or one of his aides) in the AD Information Office takes note of this. The unprofessional behavior by an Indiana University coach attempting to intimidate and ridicule a member of the press into silence does not represent the education we received at IU and ought should not be tolerated, particularly by those Crean answers to.

Mr. Glass, please take the necessary action to correct this lamentable behavior. It is your responsibility. I apologize to Mr. Dopirak, in the name of IU alumni, for this embarrassing episode.

Crean, you should always answer legitimate queries from the press with respect and due professionalism.

 
#26
Chet
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:04 PM EDT

southport65,
The answer to your question is no one. Posts #18 and #21 tell you all you need to know.

 
#27
Ben
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:21 PM EDT

Agreed. Legit question. Coach Crean seemed a little edgy anyways. Probably frustrated. Though fair question. Sorry Dustin.

 
#28
Stings like a bee
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:30 PM EDT

“Meanwhile we lost at home to a team that even Iowa can beat.”

Yeah… about that. You are talking about the team that’s tied for first place, with Indiana, and the team they lost to we’ve already beaten … at their place … right

OK, Indiana is not in first place tied or not in the Big Ten. Michigan State is. This is the first piece of evidence that you have no idea what you’re talking about (as always). Indiana is third. Wisconsin is fourth.

Yes, even Iowa can beat Wisconsin. We can’t. We were lucky we got that one in Iowa City because Iowa almost tied the game and Crean almost lost that one in typical fashion (this season when we didn’t play a cupcake we struggled until the last second and twice we lost).

Yes, I am also talking about the team that’s fourth from bottom (Northwestern) that beat the team below them (Illinois). Your dumb example of what a great team we beat today. Ridiculous and embarrassing even for Your Dimness.

You keep telling Laffy that the Hoosiers beat Minny and he gives Crean crap: tell me the score in the second half of the Minny game dude. 52-36 on our home court. And it could have been worse. FIFTY-TWO points scored against Indiana in a half, dude. At home. With Crean’s dream team.

There’s dumb, there’s dumber, then came black holes and finally there’s … wait for it … Chet.

 
#29
Chet
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:32 PM EDT

Totally legit question but I have to address TTG on this one. Why didn’t you feel the same way about RMK when he was about a thousand times more abusive to reporters on a daily basis?

I thought CTC was a little touchy but you seem to feel he went way over the line. You have made comments the past where you seemed to feel that RMK wasn’t all that out of line in his treatment of the press. CTC today would have been RMK on his best day ever in a presser.

Just sayin’

 
#30
Geoff
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:35 PM EDT

Embarrassed today to be a Pats fan… The realllllly early injury to Talib killed us, but we just shooting ourselves in the foot with drops and stupid play.

I told people all week long to take the Ravens and the under, but thought we’d at least win by 3-6 points…. Too bad I don’t bet on sports I guess.

 
#31
Geoff
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:37 PM EDT

It would be nice to play an important game with a healthy Gronk at some point before Brady retires.

 
#32
Chet
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:37 PM EDT

The Ravens just look to be beating on them now. The Pats are looking like they just don’t want to get hit any more.

 
#33
Kosher Salt
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:48 PM EDT

What a Super Bowl this is gonna be. Go Ra(y)vens.

 
#34
Pickles
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:29 PM EDT

Yet another great moment offered to you by Tom Crean.

Coincidental or not this all happened with him here at IU.

This would be a great moment to extend his contract a little.

At the very least least until 2022 when that asteroid is flying by Earth threating our planet with collision. I am sure with him in Bloomington the danger will be averted. ESA is trying to deflect it but what do they know? The master of deflections is here in Bloomington. Glass, why take chances? Act now, tonight even!

 
#35
Pickles
Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:35 PM EDT

Oops: sorry, “threatening”.

But seriously, the Harbo bros owe a lot to their famous brother-in-law.

 
#36
TsaoTsuG
Monday, January 21, 2013 - 12:44 AM EDT

Chet, the issue is that in a press setting you never single out a member of the press by name. That is what I am criticizing. When it happens, it presumes that the individual identifying the journalist is trying to intimidate him. You expect that from an Hugo Chavez, Saddam’s sons when they ran the Iraqi Olympic Committee and Sepp Blatter at FIFA (the soccer world’s governing body), but not in the US and certainly not with IU basketball.

Not very intelligent.

Also, you seem to have a fixation on my admiration of and for Bob Knight’s basketball genius and my appreciation of many of his personal attributes. I don’t feel I have to defend it in the same way I don’t think I have to defend ours who pursue and attack you in this blog (see above, #28). Simple enough for that individual to understand and accept that yes, I like and admire much of what I read, your experiences and anecdotes and whatever I may happen to surmise about you, without having to go further in explaining why.

Public and press relations were never one of RMK’s strongest traits; though there were and there continue to be many journalists who admired (and continue to do so)for his basketball brilliance. But, beyond both the reality and the fiction- much of it created by the press because ‘it sold’-, I also found an intelligent, interesting, humorous and very, very decent man…even after I subtract the negatives. So, I choose to continue to admire him.

Every time I’ve even breathed his name, you’ve made a point of writing to question ‘my judgment’ in that regards. I hope Chet this covers my answer and, in the future, you can refer to it when it comes up again. Then, you and I can concentrate on being friends and exchanging based on those things that probably lead others to question how you and I can be friends, and we can continue to be such despite their acceptance or non-acceptance.

So…what do you think of Barbara Walters banging her head?

 
#37
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:05 AM EDT

We did not have the benefit of viewing Dustin’s facial expressions/body language after Crean’s initial response to his question. It’s hard to be completely objective without the benefit of seeing possible nonverbal signals sent. Was Dustin being cute?…rolling his eyes a bit?..shrugging his shoulders?….So much of communication is nonverbal..It’s really not 100% fair to judge Crean on the appropriateness/inappropriateness his reaction when we don’t have the luxury of sitting in the press room, viewing the totality of the interaction occurring, watching both faces in the exchange, the possible nonverbal signals often sending bigger messages than words.

It certainly appeared that Crean was reacting to a nonverbal prompt from Dustin when he stopped himself abruptly at the beginning of answering the next reporter’s question. Maybe Dustin was doing the “roll eyes” move made famous by a regular on Scoop.

Crean: “We moved the ball where we wanted it …and, uh, it moves..”

Dustin: (roll eyes)

Not saying Dustin rolled his eyes..It could have been something more subtle.

 
#38
Ron
Monday, January 21, 2013 - 10:40 AM EDT

TTG. The last sentence from you reinforces the rule of read the complete sentence before jumping to conclusion.

 
#39
Chet
Monday, January 21, 2013 - 11:17 AM EDT

TTG, as I said, “just sayin’”. There’s no question that you a institute double standard to the two men in this area…and that’s OK. You have your opinions and feelings on the subject and you don’t apply the same standard to the two men. I don’t have a problem with it. I also don’t have a problem with your admiration of the man. He has many fans. In general, I quit commenting on the subject a long time ago.

It’s just that referring to such a slight offhand comment by CTC as “arrogant and unprofessional” when you’ve given RMK a pass of antics a thousand times more extreme just seemed a little…much.

I shall speak no more about it.

I don’t know anything about Barbara’s head.

Harvard, when I saw it that’s the first thing that came into my mind. Looking at the video, something obviously caught CTC’s eye and he turned his attention back to Dustin. Without knowing what he saw that caught his attention we can’t know what happened in there.

 


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