Live Discussion: Minnesota at Indiana

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  • AWinAZ says:

    Wow! What a concept…2 post entry passes for buckets to Z!!!

    Wow! 8 pts scored on Hulls out of 12…

  • Ben says:

    Did anyones audio just cut out, and never come back on? Listening through internet

  • AWinAZ says:

    How cool would it be if Oladipo was Player of the Year? Honestly at this point, is there a better all around player in the country on both sides of the ball?

  • AWinAZ says:

    Audio working here in AZ through DirecTV Ben.

  • AWinAZ says:

    Good God! What a 1st half. Clearly the best half of basketball I’ve seen all year, and I watch a lot, and from our HOOSIERS no less. Let’s hope for a better 2nd half than PSU. Coach even made much better substitutions than I’ve seen, it was a better, more fluid pattern.

    This team is unbeatable when…
    …they feed the post off of pick & rolls
    …Z demands the ball
    …Oladipo is his normal self
    …CWat rebounds, hits open 3s
    …Hulls hits 50% of his 3s, let alone 3 of 5 or so he hit in the 1st half
    …plays THIS kind of post Defense…I counted 3 interceptions with MN trying to go over the top
    ….& Yogi penetrates & dishes off of them


  • IndianaRobot says:

    No surprise on result of this game except for the big lead. Refs letting them play is a big advantage for us when on home court and most calls/non-calls in Hoosier’s favor. What’s up with the slippery court today?

  • AWinAZ says:

    Granted MN, & Hollins in particular, was unconscious in the 2nd half from the 3 pt. line, it showcases a couple of key issues.

    1. 2nd chance points, especially dunks off of misses. Sheehey lost his man at least 4 times.
    2. Missed foul shots.
    3. Poor plan and handling of pressure.
    4. 54 pts given up in 2nd half.

  • Punjab says:

    To piggyback on AZ’s comments, here are my three key takeaways from the second half:

    1. Free throws
    2. Free throws
    3. Free throws

  • Punjab says:

    First half was phenomenal. Again, we were sluggish and sloppy to start the second. Overall I think it was more a matter of MN playing exceptionally well in the 2nd rather than IU playing poorly. But not handling the press, crucial TOs, fouling the 3-point shooter, and MISSING FREE THROWS did not help my blood pressure. Hats off to MN. They didn’t give up. If Cody doesn’t make one of the plays of the year on that free throw miss, weight be talking about a different outcome.

  • Laffy says:

    Well, Victor fouling the 3 point shooter 3 times didn’t help

  • Good Time says:

    I would like to find some positives from losing such a huge lead in the first half, but I can’t find very many. It is a good thing IU has some excellent ball players to cover up the coaching or should I say lack of coaching by Crean. When your team has trouble breaking the press and all the coach does is sat and watch without showing the team how to break it, well you see what you get. Some day people are going to accept the fact that Crean is not a very good coach in clutch situations. I’m sure we will see this again when IU makes it to the Big Dance.

  • Aruss says:

    Pros: 1 We beat a top ten team and will move up at least a couple spots in the rankings. 2 With limited touches, Zeller dominated in the paint. 3 Yogi played smart and aggressive with 7 assists in the first half.

    Cons: 1 Will was a no show today. Played poorly and threw up bricks and showed how important Mo Creek’s outside shooting is to this team. 2 Yogi stopped playing at half time. 3 Got out hustled in the second half by Minnesota. Just like PSU’s second half.

    If you told me before the game we’d win by 7 I’d be happy, but watching what how good we’re capable of playing in the first half and seeing the garbage we put out in the second half I’m not. This team can either take on the personality of Watford and try to get by with just enough or can take on Vic’s and play balls out 24/7. I hope this is a wake up call for the team and coaches.

  • Podunker says:

    I won’t duplicate the other comments already posted, accept to say that the first half gave us a glimpse of how good this IU team can be. I was really worried at half time, because I thought that IU had no place to go but down from the high of the first half, and momentum is a strange beast. And that’s what happened.

    My big take away was that, in relative terms, IU’s bench played poorly today. Sheehey had a bad game (did he even score a point?), Hollowell looked lost out there, and Abel did very little. Combining that with Hulls’ foul trouble and poor free throw shooting allowed this to become a close game.

    Tubby gets his kids to play tough. They are a mentally tough team.

  • Geoff says:

    Well, overall I can’t complain about the officials, because we certainly got some calls, but I am about 95% sure that Dipo didnt foul a 3-pt shooter all day, and yet was called for 3 of em. The last one was hilarious… Jump backwards with your hands out and behind your own body… Referees stopped giving that call to the offense 2 years ago, but yet Hollins dives forward, face first, into Dipo’s exposed chest and gets the call. Guy should lose his patch for that one.

    Really what it all comes down to is we missed 13 FT’s and went 1-8 on 3’s in the 2nd half, and most of those were wide open looks. If we hit FT’s we coast… If we hit open 3’s we coast… We did neither, so we struggled to a win.

    Wow did they hit some really tough clutch shots. That team will make their opponents nervous come tourney time because they play so damn hard.

    Really fun game to watch, especially after witnessing that PSU junk.

  • IU Fan from MN says:

    response to Good Time: I agree with you and I feel like we are the few that are not drinking the Crean cool-aid. Don’t get me wrong, Crean is a great recruiter and motivator. I’m extremely happy with how well their defense is playing this year, esp. compared to last year’s squad. However, I have been questioning coaching and especially his halfcourt offense. It drives me nuts! Ok, I know it’s more like an NBA spread offense but come on… no plays to generate back door cuts? Only screens I see is at the top of the key. Lack of coaching is really showing when it comes to X’s and O’s. Indiana struggled against a zone in Iowa and Butler games. Now today they shot lights out from the 3 but I feel like that’s their “only” zone-buster play. Here’s another one to watch (if you taped the game), why did Indiana send 2 guards running down the court when MN full court pressed the inbound. I saw it 2 presses in a row! 1 other guard comes down to get the ball and they struggle to get the ball in. Go figure. I’m really losing any confidence with Crean’s style of basketball. Here’s one more to ponder… think of the coming years w/o dipo and zeller. how good are these recruits coming in? Brad Stevens available? 🙂

  • Podunker says:

    Illinois is getting crushed in Madison and Duke got beat by #20 NCS. Arizona is on the road today. The rankings should be interesting come Monday.

    One last comment about today’s IU game. Zeller and Yogi were outstanding today. Both were MVPs. VO did a lot of great things, but he committed some really bone-headed fouls in the second half. He got schooled there a little bit by Dre. These guys are still learning and still refining their killer instincts.

  • Ron says:

    The first half was a thing of beauty. Showed we can play with anybody and probably beat them.

    The second half. Whatever our current half-time routine is, it needs to be changed ….now.

  • Geoff says:

    Po – I’d like to amend your statement about Remy… Abell did plenty out there today, and all of it was terrible. He only ended up with 2 TO’s in the box score, but he tried to turn it over every time he touched it. 2 of his 3 shots were terrible decisions. Unfortunately, Crean’s hand got forced in the 2nd half because of Hulls’ foul trouble. Remy was so bad in the 2nd half that Crean went to Hollowell for a stretch instead of putting him back in the game.

    For the most part I like Remy… I’m not cuckoo for cocoa puffs like Harvard… But Remy is generally a net positive. Today was his worst day as a Hoosier though.

    I’m sure next game hell bounce back. He’s proven to be a generally tough-minded kid.

  • Aruss says:

    Jeremy’s growth totally lost momentum with the games he sat out. You can tell he’s nervous from the airball and needs major minutes against our weaker opponents to build up his confidence.

    Hanner seems to have confidence and swagger he just needs consistent minutes to build up some experience. Hanner and Noah next year by January will be incredible to watch.

  • Podunker says:

    Tom Crean is not missing free throws. Tom Crean is not missing open 3-point shots. Tom Crean is not fouling a great jump-shooter behind the 3-point line. Tom Crean is not making bad in-bounds passes. Tom Crean did not cause Hulls to get in foul trouble. It’s easy to criticize Crean for the way IU played in the last five minutes, but you also have to give him credit for the way his team played in the first 20 minutes. And let’s remember that two of his veteran players were out with injuries.

    I’ve come to realize that until Crean wins a national title, some people will never be satisfied with Tom Crean’s coaching.

  • Aruss says:

    Geoff – Remy was playing hurt and only had one practice before today’s game. We definitely need Mo back.

  • Punjab says:

    There’s a first time for everything, but I think Dipo was trying to do a little too much. At least one of those 3-point fouls could’ve just as easily been a non-call, but when a dude launches from 38 feet it and looks like it might be a foul, that’s going to be called almost every time. All you have to do is get a hand is his face, then box out. Period.

    And to add to Geoff’s point in #14, the biggest difference in the 2nd was shooting. MN hit a crazy amount of threes to close the gap, but not only did we have all those missed FTs and 3s, but we missed a lot of point blank stuff, too– Layups and open looks that usually go in. We just couldn’t hit much, and at happens at times. But we have to take advantage of the freebies and not turn it over at the end. There are a lot of quality opponents in this league who will make you pay if you let up. Welcome to the Big Ten, fellas.

  • Podunker says:

    Regardless of the hype, and let’s all agree that there was enormous hype associated with “the solution,” very few freshman are physically and mentally prepared to make major contributions in Big Ten competition. That’s what made Cody Zeller so special last year. That’s what makes Yogi so special this year. These are rare talents, and we should not expect every freshman, no matter how good they were in High School, to be able to come in and hold their own against veteran Big Ten competitors. JH is simply not physically strong enough (yet) to match up with Big Ten forwards.

    Let’s keep in mind that they are freshman. But no excuse for Sheehey. He was bad today.

  • Geoff says:

    Aruss – that makes sense…

    Po – I agree. Although I do question the way we handle the press and why we go to the zone so often, and those things are on Crean. I can’t figure out why Watford is the inbounder for the life of me. Passing is not one of his strengths, but FT shooting is. That time he had Hulls open for 3 seconds and 25 feet, but then proceeded to pass it to him really late and throw it directly out of bounds… Wow.

  • Punjab says:

    Aruss, totally agree with you on #19. Parea and Hollowell will be dynamite, but I doubt they’re going to get enough PT this year to do much besides show flashes of what they will be in coming years.

    I think we can all agree that one of our biggest strengths this year was going to be our depth. But when the subs don’t have it on a day like today, it’s good to know that just our starting five is good enough to hang with (or dominate) anyone.

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