Live Discussion: Wisconsin at Indiana


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  • Chet #1


    Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 11:27 PM EDT

    I’ve never seen so many traveling violations go uncalled.

  • Geoff #2


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:03 AM EDT

    Dammit. Wisconsin is just so much tougher. That sucks to realize.

    I’d love to blame the refs, but even though we didn’t get enough calls, that has nothing to do with the outcome.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #3


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:11 AM EDT

    Wow…They simply have our number.

    As I said back in November…’there will be bumps in the road.’

  • Spe #4


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:14 AM EDT

    Think we could convince teams to play us 40 mins straight without a halftime?

  • Mass Hoosier #5


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:18 AM EDT

    I call that a thorough beatn. Should not have lost that game. Well coached teams with good systems make IU look weak.

  • Marc #6


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:24 AM EDT

    It’s easy to blame the players and the referees, but why are we blaming the coach? Where was everyone saying the Coach Crean can’t coach when we were beating Kentucky last year or when we made the Sweet 16 run? How about when we won games this year? Why were there none of these comments then? Where would IU basketball be without Tom Crean? My guess is somewhere still in the gutter and a joke in the Big 10. Teams lose. Kentucky proved that last year and they still won the title. From where I’m sitting, everyone needs to shut up, quit blaming Coach Crean, and support the Hoosiers win or lose.

  • Double Down #7


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:32 AM EDT

    Another night, another opposing guard having a career night. Normally Hulls can drop 10 – 15 to offset his Olé style defense.

    Jordy is a great kid and really embodies the hustle, attitude and work ethic that makes our fans love him, but it is time to face the facts: he just is a massive liability out there when his shots aren’t falling (which is starting to become a more frequent occurrence).

    Bo Ryan deserves a ton of credit. His 2nd half adjustments and big risk of double and triple teaming Zeller dared our shooters to drain from the perimeter. Instead, they stood around and watched Zeller get hammered.

    Also, when did our bench turn into a giant zero?

  • Let's be fair. #8


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:36 AM EDT

    Coach Crean is God. Just think how he beat those cupcakes all by himself, how he ebat Kentucky last year and went all the way to the Sweet Sixteen. Amazing coach. This loss is not his it’s entirely on the players.

    Let me say this again: Crean good, players bad.

    Crean is a great recruiter too. He recruited all these bad players.

  • Geoff #9


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:41 AM EDT

    I missed the ole defense… Defense was not a problem tonight. It was outstanding.

    Hulls’ primary defensive assignment was Ben Brust. He scored 9 points. He averages 11 and his career high is 25.

    Yogi was on Jackson. He scored 11.

    Once again, another Jordy defense critique not founded in reality.

  • Geoff #10


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:42 AM EDT

    Now if you want to critique his offense tonight, feel free.

  • jm #11


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:45 AM EDT

    Marc I couldn’t agree more. Just calm down everyone, you lose, it happens. You’ve got to hand it to wisc they certainly know how to play the hoosiers. I just don’t see how one could be a badger fan and watch that slow, extremely boring, style of play night in and night out. Very painful to watch

  • Geoff #12


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:46 AM EDT

    Never expected Will to be such a non-factor for 2 straight games…

  • Geoff #13


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:48 AM EDT

    Marc & JM… Ummm I’m looking at the above comments and I’m pretty sure everyone is calm… Don’t see a single comment that could be construed as freaking out

  • jm #14


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:55 AM EDT

    Yea I typed that without thinking. I had some buddies texting me and they were most definitely freaking out. So I posted that with some other people in mind

  • Spe #15


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:56 AM EDT

    You bet I’m angry with Coach Crean. But I’m not saying the roof is falling. The fact that we can be displeased with him speaks to our faith in him. We don’t do too well against well -coached and focused teams. We’ve all noticed his teams have a different style than teams of the past. We’ve moved away from a high IQ, well disciplined offense to an athletic/pro style offense. It is different and sometimes I want a little of the old with the new. I do question some second half adjustments or lack thereof, but I think Coach Crean knows what he’s doing and is qualified for his job. PS-He’s still a youngin.

  • jm #16


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:00 AM EDT

    Somebody needs to wake sheehey up…he seems to be a little distracted

  • Mass Hoosier #17


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:01 AM EDT

    Geoff,
    Do you think Hollowell looked like he was mentally into the game tonight? Did you see him get yanked after he showed a little energy ? Was I just seeing, or hoping for things?

  • Hoosier Clarion #18


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:02 AM EDT

    What Wisconsin 2nd half adjustments? Bo said it himself they keep probing by running the same thing on offense. That was a defensive clinic they put on. They let CZ play his game in the 1st half and shut everyone else down until they decide to slow down Zeller. IU wins the battle on the boards by a big % but get near zero transition offense because of outstanding Badger D. I feared Wisky much more than Minny. They play 1 style, disciplined, they play it every game of every season much like Knight’s teams. But they do it with a couple more athletic players.

  • Good Time #19


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:03 AM EDT

    I won’t jump on the poor coaching band wagon, because everyone that has read my inputs knows I have questioned coach Crean’s half time adjustments all year in big games. I will just say the outcome did not surprise me.
    Hats off to Wisconsin. They didn’t play great, but IU made it look that way.

  • Double Down #20


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:06 AM EDT

    Geoff, here’s what I saw:

    I’d like to see the gents at Inside the Hall put this one together with screenshots, but Jordy missed 2 help assignments off screens (Berg and Jackson) that lead to easy layups/dunks in the first half. He was slow getting out on either Kaminsky or Dekker within that bunch as well. They were momentum killers when Zeller was shredding Wisc on the other end.

    The condescension in your last post was something I’ll just ignore. ;)

  • Double Down #21


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:10 AM EDT

    HC, are you going to say with a straight face that Wisc was defending Zeller the same way in the first half versus the second?

    I’m not trying to indict Crean, so let’s get that out of the way. I’m just saying that Bo picked his poison in the 2nd half and had guys just crashing on Zeller the second the ball was in the air.

  • steve #22


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:11 AM EDT

    The fact of the matter is we are not a top ten team. I think we found that out tonight. Maybe later in the year we will be but this team has no toughness right now. I think the #1 ranking gave us all unrealist expectations.

  • Double Down #23


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:12 AM EDT

    Unless we see Wisc in the Big Ten tourney and get another crack at them, Hulls, Elston and Watford will leave IU never beating them. That is so crazy!

  • Punjab #24


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:25 AM EDT

    By and large, I was not disappointed in the way we played, minus some questionable shot selection. We were’nt terribly sloppy all night– just at crucial junctures. Both teams played great defense. Wisconsin just hit their tough shots (and their slop) and we didn’t. End of story.

    I was a little disappointed how long it took to find any counter when they started gang-banging Cody down low. The shots weren’t falling again from outside, and by the time CWat started taking it to the rim, we’re already down 10. Good to see we could finally make an adjustment and close it back to within one, but that garbage turnaround by Evans– followed by two straight IU turnovers– was crushing.

  • Geoff #25


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:28 AM EDT

    Mass – I thought tonight was the best I’ve seen Jeremy play. Good strong take to the hoop (although I was hoping he’d make a statement with a dunk), then a couple possessions later he turns down a 3 to go to the hoop and makes a nice dish to Cody for 2. No turnovers, adequate defense, helped on the boards, didn’t force any shots… That being said, it’s not really the game for him to get more than 8 minutes. We got what we needed from him. He showed up tonight. Unfortunately no one else on the bench did.

  • Hoosier Clarion #26


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:28 AM EDT

    Very straight, he was 8-8 in the 1st half, he was 1-7 in the second. Cody had opportunities in the 2nd half that he did not have in the 1st since Berggren was in foul trouble and playing soft when he was not setting. That is on CZ. Ryan was not about to make adjustments after holding the best offense in the country to 32. Their D smothered our transition game and that is where it was lost.

  • Double Down #27


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:34 AM EDT

    HC, Zeller saw far more double/triple teams in the 2nd half…by design.

    His adjustments were refinements in the 2nd half. IU was held to 27.

    Geoff: I agree with your Hollowell comment. Besides Zeller’s first half, it was the the other good thing you could point to about the game. Mostly, I was impressed that he flowed in the offense well instead of forcing shots.

  • Hoosier Clarion #28


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:46 AM EDT

    There was no magic pill at halftime. They played that D scheme out of necessity when Berggren drew his 2nd foul in the 1st. Bo Ryan knew as I did he had the game where he wanted it at halftime.

  • Double Down #29


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:48 AM EDT

    Punjab,

    That trash that Evans put up is exactly what needs to happen to win on the road against a supposed top 5 team. Once that went in, I knew we were done.

    Drekker it some insane contested 3 about 5 min into the 2nd half, too.

  • Mass Hoosier #30


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:09 AM EDT

    Yeah Geoff, Hollowell doesn’t get many minutes, thats why I was a little excited for him, especially with the current bench play and injuries. Bo Ryan rested his bigs well tonight, kept Bergerron(Sp)from fouling out. I’ve watched Wisconsin the last few weeks and they continue to improve. One of our main strengths, our bench/depth is at this point, not very productive. Credit Wisky

  • Punjab #31


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:12 AM EDT

    Bozo-witz also hit some ridiculous shots. As a fan it’s curushing to watch us play great defense for 33 seconds, only to have Wisconsin drain a 28-footer in your face. They’ve been doing it to us for years now. You have to wonder what kind of demoralizing effect that has on our guys, if any.

  • Laffy #32


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:15 AM EDT

    1) I agree that was Jeremy’s best game so far.

    2) Cody looked amazing the first half but, once again, Crean doesn’t know how to counter second half adjustments by the other coach.

    3) Jordy was awful….as was our “awesome” bench.

    4) Sure hope this shuts everyone up how all the other good teams are “over-rated” while we’re not. Of course, it won’t and people will just whine 24/7 about the refs.

    5) Looks like my prediction of us not making the Sweet 16 is looking smarter every day……..

    6) Are we gonna hear “just one bad game” for the 10th time now?

    7) Guess playing Cupcake City wasn’t such a great idea afterall…

  • TsaoTsuG #33


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:39 AM EDT

    Geoff- good place to start your comments. You are right.

    Harvard- you also said about 2-3 weeks ago something about a ‘big read headed kid’ (Wisconsin had just mauled Illinois) whop was going to make a big contribution and we’d better grab our tails. The old guy at Wisconsin is above most thinkers when it comes to this game; he proved it for a long time before Madison and he’s still teaching the ‘young turks’ how to keep things simple. I love watching the Hoosiers and, when we do it well, our flash (who wouldn’t). But, I also love to see the game well played, like Wisconsin does.

  • steve #34


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:41 AM EDT

    People keep blaming the non confernce but most other teams play cupcakes as well. The fact of the matter is we are just not a great team. The movement was hyped up way too much and taking early verbals from patterson and jurkin obviously did not pan out. Looks to be the same with davis and hartman at least from the hs stats. At this point might as well have redshirted elston and maybe even hanner. I think we will be ok and be a top five big ten team and probably a 3 or 4 seed but nothing like we were hyped up to be. There is just no killer attitude on this team.

  • TsaoTsuG #35


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:54 AM EDT

    Marc and JM, I had read 12 comments and was thinking to myself the posts were pretty much handling it well and not at all over the top. Not a fair comment.

    I’ve always thought Hoosiers are pretty sophisticated basketball fans. Hard to hide from them. Those comments I read (with your two excepted) were sober and critical of issues we’ve known for a while.

    Maybe the team needs to grow up a bit (individually and as a team) and the fans who were taking their championship lap in early December need to be more realistic and understand we are one of several good teams with excellent coaching in this league.

    Maybe no one told Wisconsin (Bo Ryan perhaps needs to better inform his team) that we are supposed to sweep through this thing.

  • TsaoTsuG #36


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 3:09 AM EDT

    Hoosier Clarion, your #18 is a great comment. Wisconsin plays against the game. It doesn’t matter whether they are ahead by 10 or 2 or behind by 8 or 12, they keep playing the game with a clear idea of what they want to do and, even more important, what they don’t want to do.

    To answer someone else’s question about how Badger fans can watch this day in and day out. Silly, silly question. Easy answer, it’s the way the game is played with equal parts athleticism, intelligence, creativity and discipline. And by understanding that energy is used on every defensive possession and players can use the offense to gather and pace themselves.

    I do enjoy watching a Wisconsin type game; day in and day out. Well done, it will win more than lose.

  • Marc #37


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 7:08 AM EDT

    The comments referencing Coach Creean were in the live chat towards the end. People calling out his substitutions, how he is a good recruiter but a bad coach, and that Brad Stevens would do better with this team. It’s also based on comments I’ve seen in the past, namely after the Butler game on this site and comments made on ESPN.

  • Chet #38


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 8:26 AM EDT

    Sure Jordy got beat off the dribble. EVERYBODY got beat off the dribble. I’ve never seen the guys look so slow. Learning lesson. Everyone but Wisconsin has been handed one of those.

  • Punjab #39


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 8:38 AM EDT

    Marc, I should have spoken up in your defense. I was following some of the live chat, but I was at work and couldn’t respond to most of the posts I wanted to or finish the ones I started. (The joys of having zero ability to multi-task…) But you’re right, there were quite a few nasty posts about Crean’s coaching ability in places other than this specific thread. Much more than usual, so I got where you were coming from.

    Granted, this wasn’t his finest hour tonight. (Or yesterday. Been up since well before tipoff…) But it also wasn’t his worst. I missed the first five minutes of the 2nd half, but I was pleased to see him make adjustments and go inside with Wat once they’d neutralized Cody and went up big. Shows that he’s not as completely clueless as some would make him out to be.

    I am becoming concerned with his substitution patterns, though. He seems to want to stick with a script sometimes rather than go with what has already worked. Not trying to slam coach, but I don’t understand some of those personnel moves. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?

  • Geoff #40


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 9:28 AM EDT

    Isn’t the live chat notoriously compared to a drunk tank…

  • jm #41


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 9:44 AM EDT

    Geoff, nice.

    And tsao I guess you’re a better man than I, no way I could watch that every game. I also realize it will win more than lose…but I will take a fast, athletic team over that any day (see Kentucky last season).

  • Punjab #42


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 9:50 AM EDT

    Way to pick on the new guy, Geoff!!! Thanks for calling me out. (Only kidding.) This was the first time I was on the live chat here. Usually I’m watching on BTN2Go, so I can’t just flip back and forth without missing four minutes of game action. But yeah, there were some pretty, uh, loose comments shall we say? Or krunk? Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

  • J Pat #43


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:01 AM EDT

    Maybe Laffy and others that say we are overrated are right, maybe not. I do know that last night at home really opened my eyes and I am actually happy in a weird way. My expectations are not as high and that will make the season more enjoyable and I won’t be as stressed out. I am not sure what the problem is but in my opinion we have a very mentally weak team, not tough minded enough…not even as much as last years group…they also tend to not play well together at times and look bewildered. I am sitting here at work today just baffled…in a million years I did not expect to lose that game…I am at a loss!

    Not to get too personal but as a father, husband and man I felt myself grow last night. I have lived through this team, IU sports since I was a kid. It connected me with my family in Indiana while I grew up out of state and I care too much, always have about the winning! My wife said, “I am sorry” last night with a minute to go and I said, “I am fine” and she was shocked. That empty feeling from my gut was not there like in the past. I few years ago Bill Lynch got hammered in the 2nd half by a week PU team and I stood up and BOOed very loudly and an older gentleman said to me…”You care way too much son, you have 2 small beautiful children, live for them, not for IU sports…it is only a game and these are kids on the field”. I did not get that till last night, it took a few years for it to sink in. I feel good today…I will always be a fan and pull for Indiana sports but it is different now! Sorry to put you all through that!

  • Chet #44


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:05 AM EDT

    Having had a while to process this I have a couple thoughts on the game. Sure, if you want to say CTC was outcoached, go for it. Whatever. I’m not convinced he didn’t put the players in a position to win. The game was basically a tossup throughout. No, we did not get our butts handed to us. A couple shots would have changed everything. Late in the second half Wisky players hit a couple shots they probably couldn’t repeat if their life depended on it. Such is basketball.

    What I did notice, particularly in the second half, was that we were losing too many of the one on one battles. As I posted above, I don’t recall so many of our guys being beaten to the basket off the first step all season. Coach Ryan saw a weakness and exploited it. It certainly wasn’t just Jordy, though he was a victim. They ran a ton of clearouts and just let their guy beat our guy to the basket with Cody playing defense away from the hoop.

    What became of CWat’s new found dedication to pounding the glass? We don’t need our #2 rebounder spending so much time in the backcourt. Other than Cody, our bigs played small. As a result Cody faced a double team the entire second half. That was a great opportunity for CWat to capitalize and he didn’t. His numbers weren’t terrible but with Cody occupying two players the entire second half CWat should have had a heyday out there.

    No inside information but Will looked ill. Even sitting on the bench he’s normally very animated and vocal. He looked lethargic and tired from tipoff.

    Jordy didn’t seem quite right, either. He looked lethargic and did some things on the court that were very, very unusual for him. His balance also seemed off. He fell down several times in situations that he wasn’t really banged hard and just couldn’t regain his balance.

    Wisconsin defended very well but we missed a TON of open shots, particularly threes. Despite any other issues, if we hit even half of our open shots we cruise to a comfortable win.

    The NBA style traveling standard was irritating to watch but they called it that way all night. Was there a traveling call on either team the entire game? There was another instance where a Wisky player picked up his dribble and then began dribbling again 3 seconds later. That stuff probably equaled out over the night. I doubt it changed anything but it’s ugly to watch.

    The formula for coming after IU is pretty clear. Play really physical and hope you get the breaks. Double team Cody and assume CWat is standing on the three point arc. If you’re hitting the shots and IU isn’t, you might win.

    We are about where I thought we’d be when the season started. No undefeated season. I wish we’d have won but they’ll learn a lot more from the loss. Come tourney time it might be better for us. Nobody is going to enjoy playing Wisconsin this year, just like always. We’re still as good a bet to win the conference as anyone.

    I didn’t see anything good or bad that I haven’t seen out of every highly ranked team this season. There aren’t any perfect teams. Duke got spanked by a very pedestrian NC State team who might go on to win a pathetically weak ACC. Louisville will lose 3-4 more games. Michigan is gonna lose a few more. I’ll be surprised and delighted if this was our last conference loss.

    Nothing has changed from yesterday.

  • Stéphane Chapuisat #45


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:07 AM EDT

    Yeah, with Happenstance Tom your expectations should be low, very low: he’s just an average kinda guy, a slightly overrated used car salesman.

    Steve Alford and New Mexico can beat IU at any time.

    Why we got stuck with this walk-on coach I can’t say. Or maybe I can: Greenspan chose him. And then Crean hired Glass so keep your expectations low for the next 8-10 years because Happenstance Tom is not going anywhere.

  • Chet #46


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:09 AM EDT

    J Pat,
    I’ve been a diehard IU fan for a long, long time but the fella in the stands was right.

    Love your family, like your team.

  • Ron #47


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:19 AM EDT

    I now have tempered expectations. Keep telling myself the next game will be the one to show us where stand.

    Jordy had a bad game going and it got worse as he tried to make something happen. Don’t think anyone will be playing Cody one-on-one the rest of the year.

    Concerns with Will & Remy. Not enough game time for them to get into the rhythm of the game? Thought Holloway made some good decision’s. Still question the substitution patterns. Make a basket and take a seat. ESPN commentators after tha game made some rather negative comments about IU coaching techniques. Can’t remember the specifics. Feel bad for the players but you got to give credit to Wisconsin. Apparently they came in with a good plan, modified it at half-time and the team delivered.

    On to the next game I guess.

  • Jacob Silj #48


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:27 AM EDT

    COACH CREAN IS A PIONEER. SORRY BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW I HAVE WHAT’S CALLED VOICE IMMODULATION SYNDROME SO I HOPE I CAN BE EXCUSED. PEOPLE SAID IT’S TOUGH TO WIN AWAY IN THE BIG TEN BUT HE JUST PROVED EVERYBODY WRONG AGAIN HE IS A VISIONARY OF THE HIGHEST RANK AND HIGHEST HAPPENSTANCE. IF YOU CHALK THIS UP TO COACH CREAN AS YOU SHOULD UINLESS YOU ARE JEALOUS WHICH IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE HE IS ALSO VERY HANDSOME AND SMART NOT JUST SO DOGGONE GOOD AS A COACH PLEASE REMEMBER THIS WAS AN AWAY WIN AT THE #2 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY AND BY AN UNRANKED TEAM A TEAM THATLOST TO (GASP!) MARQUETTE AND VIRGINIA AT HOME. COACH IS SO AWESOME JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL NEBRASKA COMES TO ASSEMBLY HALL.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #49


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:48 AM EDT

    I believe the only purpose of LiveChat is for the old clan(Korman, Kellenberger, Osterman) that used to work on HT and IDS be afforded an opportunity to spit in the face of Indiana..They come onto the chat using cute aliases like “Wilmont’s kissy face,” join their current buddies still working at the gig of covering Hoosier sports, and frolic in the jabs and mockery of Indiana basketball…It’s an Establishment thing….Forever jealous of Indiana hoops, it provides their outlet. They’re not drunk…They’re only drunk with envy. They simply hate the sanctity of Indiana basketball. Our fans never abandon Indiana. They hate the undaunted spirit of the fan base.

    It’s all rather pathetic…In the constant mockery of our coach and our players that goes on during LiveChat…It’s all about painting a university and a state full of corny Hoosiers that live only for their precious storied washed-up hoops..We are the simpletons that pour our souls out over a stupid game of basketball.

    How silly and sad are the dumb hicks of Indiana. So silly and sad are we that they needed to create a LiveChat for all those former journalists that came to HT and IDS via Georgia, Columbia, Penn State, Appalachian State(everywhere except the Midwest, of course)to cover the best basketball in the land; a special place to fulfill their impotence in heart and soul for the learned pen to paper could surely trump their inability to ever understand it. LiveChat becomes a place to make the private jokes and slather each other in clever cute jabs aimed at IU..For what else can they do when they can’t let it go…? A wanting to be innocent again, lose the ego, as you drift into the pride and love for something more than yourself. Everyday covering the beats of IU sports they walked amongst the passion they look deep inside to only find absent. That daily grind of covering something you’ve never been able to mirror from your own past experiences wears hard on an Establishment zombie.

    And could never rub in the envy when they worked for the local papers and brought us the coverage? They honed their journalism craft…padded their resumes by covering one of the most storied programs in the country, but they could never take true public jabs on the pages of Scoop, Hoosier Hype, ITH, etc. Kellenberger once took a formal shot at it..took a jab at IU hoops…Clouded by distaste and envy, he attempted to crucify Derek Elston for an alleged tripping of a Northwestern player…”Good move” to Ole Miss, my ass. He was given his walking papers due to the backlash his leaking out his Establishment envy of IU. Yes, LiveChat is full of drunks..a playground of cowards that hide. Full of old washed up Establishment wannabees…that want to be us.

    They wish they could be so intoxicated with the passion that blinds our reasoning nothing compares to Hoosier hoops, what else can they do but attempt to tear it down with drunken envy? Look at us…Still playing highlights on the jumbotron of the banner years..Look at our silly fans…Look at Cody gazing up at the scoreboard before his starting lineup introduction..Look at how fully engrossed he is in watching the old highlights of Indiana teams that played long before he was born into the state its lifeblood tied to the sport he now aspires. Listen to silly Dakich on ESPN when he talks of ‘the flags’ and the William Tell Overture still giving him goosebumps though twenty years passed since he wore the candy-stripes. Just look at us corny, silly Hoosiers. Can’t wait to get on LiveChat and prove the fairytale is over. Tijan Forever..Flags..Flags…FLAGS! (giggle-mock..giggle- mock). We get it, we get it.

  • Punjab #50


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:05 AM EDT

    “Tempered expectations” can easily be confused with false hope. Nobody truly expected us to romp through an undefeated season, or even run the table in the Big Ten. I think we were all hoping for it, but none of us really expected it. Now some of the pressure is off and we won’t feel like our world came crashing down with every loss.

    Just like the UNC win seemed huge at the time but won’t even register as a quality win come selection Sunday, these 2 losses that seem so devastating now will likely prove to have come at the hands of two top 20 teams by the end of the year. We’ll have more quality losses and wins before our regular season resume is complete.

    Eyes on the prize, folks. I never expected us to win a National Championship, but I thought we’d be a legitimate contender. That hasn’t changed one bit. Hope is not lost

  • Ron #51


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:08 AM EDT

    In other words you don’t like the “Live Chat”.?

    Gotta admit, around the 3-4 minute time frame of the second half, there was this random thought bouncing around that this would be a perfect time for Roth to come in and drain a couple of three pointers.

  • Laffy #52


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:25 AM EDT

    Chet-

    How did Crean “put the players in a position to win”? Jordy was completely shut down.

    And Cody, once again, didn’t even take a shot for 9 minutes. Is that his fault or Crean’s?

    HH–

    “Kissy face” defends IU all the time so I don’t know why you’re whining about him ripping IU. And most of our fans ARE “simpletons” as I never saw more crying about the refs in my life.

    Were the refs great? No. But they should have spent more time talking about our crappy play than whining about the refs the ENTIRE game.

    I remember people used to BLAST Davis because he “didn’t have a clue” why we lost games. Crean is reminding me of that.

    Saying we lost because “shots didn’t fall” is stupid.

    Even worse, after the Minny game, he said we “Only played bad the last few minutes of the game” when it was the first 5 minutes of the second half that destroyed us.

  • Chet #53


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:37 AM EDT

    Punjab,
    Exactly. We’re where every rationale person thought we’d be right now and yet there are simpletons that think this was somehow shocking or a disaster.

    Just another night in the Big Ten.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #54


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:38 AM EDT

    Anyone else getting a “duplicate comment detected” message when you try to post a comment not duplicating anything you’ve previously sent?

  • Laffy #55


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:45 AM EDT

    Talk about revising history. LOL!!

    Every “rational person” thought we’d lose at home to Wisconsin? Odd, I don’t remember seeing those predictions on here before the game.

    Once again, a physical team mops the floor with us. The team is softer than a bed made of marshmallows.

    Crean needs to make them practice while wearing dresses.

    So, please tell me why every other team is “over-rated” when we’re # 2 in the country yet get beat at home by an unranked team.

    Sure sounds “over-rated” to me.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #56


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:45 AM EDT

    JPat-

    You should have told that a-hole in the stands to go (bleep) himself. Tell it to him right in front of your kids. Tell him your kids are cuter and brighter than his ugly offspring. Tell him you’ll boo as you please and cheer as you please.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #57


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:48 AM EDT

    JPat(cont)-

    You have every right to escape from the world for a couple hours without some arrogant diptwad attempting to demean you with that puritanical, “get your priorities straight,” condescending malarkey. Tell the blowhard you spend your hour at church every Sunday to ask the Lord for guidance your lost ways just like he does when he asks for forgiveness for the multiple trips to the Motel 6 with is secretary behind his wife’s back.

    Boo the team all the hell you want. The world is full of heartless, passionless, clapping zombies that would give their right arm to be as lucky as your kids at that game. Don’t try to be perfect for your kids….And certainly don’t try to anything for that moron telling you what to be to YOUR kids. You were being true to yourself and I’m sure your kids love every beautiful flaw and know you’ll never crucify, condescend, and talk down to them for a few their harmless own fits of escape and passion in this anal world full of persecutors without mirrors.

  • Laffy #58


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:53 AM EDT

    Oh, and does Chet realize he just said I’m the most rational person on here?

    I, more than anyone, have been saying we’re not nearly as good as most people have said.

    Thanks for the compliment, bro!!!

  • Laffy #59


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:55 AM EDT

    HH saying it’s ok to boo our own players?

    Wow, talk about hypocrisy………

  • elmo #60


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:59 AM EDT

    Iam a die hard i.u. fan but will never be a Crean fan. Just ask yourself who was the better x and o,s coach in the game last nite.He.s just not very good at that. wISCONSIN PASSED THE BALL i.U. DRIBBLED ANS DRIBBLED and dribbled. I.U. offense is mainly one on one and dribble drive. You can pass the ball a lot faster tnan you can dribble it but we spend too much time going no where. I really liked Crean,s handshake at the end of the game looked like he was running the hundred yard dash. Did the most talented team win,no the best coached team won. oh we will beat Northwestern and then every thing will be o.k.

  • Chet #61


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:03 PM EDT

    Harvard,
    There IS that point of view, as well.

    Do you follow soccer?

  • Hoosier Clarion #62


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:06 PM EDT

    So right about “just another night in the B1G”. I feared the Badgers more than Minnesota because of their imposing style and our past experience against it. Everybody kind of wrote them off when their PG situation went south early in the season. They overcame that because they do things simple and do not change. They just keep doing what they do better. And Tre Jackson makes them relevant on the offensive end. IU will not be the only team suffering a long night at the hands of the Wisky style and the Wisky D.

  • Hallleluja #63


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:11 PM EDT

    Were the refs great? No. But they should have spent more time talking about our crappy play than whining about the refs the ENTIRE game.

    I remember people used to BLAST Davis because he “didn’t have a clue” why we lost games. Crean is reminding me of that.

    Saying we lost because “shots didn’t fall” is stupid.

    Even worse, after the Minny game, he said we “Only played bad the last few minutes of the game” when it was the first 5 minutes of the second half that destroyed us.

    Amen to you brother.

  • Chet's Infinite Supply of Stupidities #64


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:18 PM EDT

    Not another night in the Big Ten. Maybe just another day and item on Chet’s Infinite Supply of Stupidities.

    Two weeks ago Chet was praising Crean for beating Iowa away as Iowa is strong and away wins are hard to get in Big Ten.

    Away wins are rare in the Big Ten or not?

    Also remember when Chet said Zeller is not a big deal for Crean? Take Zeller out of last night’s game and you get a blow out. By an unranked team. On the court of #2.

    Now that’s not just another day in the Big Ten.

    Unless you’re Tommy Crean.

  • Punjab #65


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:40 PM EDT

    Wow. That haters have come out to play. You sound like I would have sounded if you’d read me posing on a Duke or Kentucky blog 12 years ago.

  • Chandigarh #66


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:51 PM EDT

    Bring a convincing argument that demonstrates the mediocrity of this coach (Tom Crean) and you’re a hater. The guy doesn’t know basketball period. All he knows is deflections and religious tweets. He also has famous in-laws. That’s the essence of Tommy Crean. And for that one is labeled a hater.

    Just another day in the Big Ten my a$$. Win at Northwestern and “just another day in the Big Ten” becomes “a tremendous away win by the master”. :eek:

    Tom Crean sucks! It is what it is.

  • Laffy #67


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 1:56 PM EDT

    You Drama Queens crack me up.

    How is being a “hater” for telling the truth?

    Again….you guys will dissect every other team in the country with a surgical scalp and tell us how they ALL are “over-rated” yet we if we that EXACT method with OUR team, we’re labeled a “hater.”

    (rolleyes)

    Pointing out the team is soft is not being a “hater”….it’s telling the truth.

    You guys just hate it because I’ve been right since day one: this team is no where as good as you’ve all proclaimed.

    It’s not ME with the “lofty expectations”….it’s YOU guys.

    How many times did we hear “one bad game” after we played like crap?

    I said it was going to bite us….and I was right.

    Doesn’t make me a “hater”…..just means I watch the team like I watch the other ones: with open eyes.

    If we’re not really the # 2 team in the country….which I’d LAUGH at anyone who says we are…….then by DEFINITION, we are “over-rated.”

    Only Drama Queens would call someone a “hater” for pointing that out.

  • Punjab #68


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:52 PM EDT

    Why, Laffy? You make it so hard to back you. Many of your comments are relevant and your criticisms are valid, if not spot on. But they’re diluted in negative hyperbole and attention-grabbing victimization. You make some great points, but you won’t just make your points and be done with it. Damn shame.

    Perhaps we both need to learn when the horse is dead.

    As for the rest of the “haters,” I’m referring to those of you who come out to clown IU and/or Coach Crean only once every blue moon. That is to say, only directly after one of the two losses we’ve suffered… both to quality teams. If you bothered to stick around and read the posts regularly– rather than doing a drive-by slam after a loss– you would likely see some good, objective, critical discussion. But few of you stick around to argue your point of view and then stand up for it. Way to go, guys. You make Hoosier Nation proud. Go Big Red.

  • Mass Hoosier #69


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:57 PM EDT

    Ron, I have to admit, Roth and a couple of deep threes entered my mind. My brother was at the game last night and we texted each other on the very subject. IU hit a couple, but that threat was never truly there last night.

  • Podunker #70


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 4:05 PM EDT

    Here’s my two cents worth:

    1. Wisc hit some unbelievable last second (on the shot clock) shots throughout the game. While I commend their poise and confidence, their outside shots were falling and ours were not.

    2. IU’s bench, especially Sheehey, is in a deep offensive slump. Yes, they play hard on defense, but they could not hit water from a boat last night. Sheehey missed everything.

    3. VO is trying to do too much. Second game in a row where his extra effort caused some problems (fouls, turn-overs, mistakes). He seems to feel the need, when things are going badly, to try to take over the game. He then plays beyond himself and actually makes mistakes. We saw it against MN when he fouled the shooter beyond the 3-point line on three separate occasions. He needs to stay within himself.

    4. IU did not get any home-cooking last night. If anything, the refs were bending over backward to appear even handed in their calls. I agree a lot of traveling calls were missed.

    5. When Cody goes 8 for 8 in the first half, his team mates should continue to pound the ball into him until the opponents’ bigs foul out of the game. Cody should have gotten the ball a lot more in the first seven minutes of the second half last night. He would have either scored, drawn more fouls, or dished out to an open shooter. If I remember correctly, Wisconsin had some players in foul trouble at half time. IU did not exploit that.

    6. IU should have started fouling Wisc a lot sooner. They waited far too long in the second half to begin fouling.

  • Laffy #71


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 4:18 PM EDT

    I do read a lot on here. Outside of Geoff, not a lot of quality insight. Mostly crying about the refs….or whining how every other team in America but us is “over-rated”….or whining how people “hate IU” if they ever criticize the team.

    Hell, during the chat last nite, virtually every post was crying about the refs instead of analysis on our team.

    Yawn.

    Your last post was good, though…….

  • psych #72


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 4:49 PM EDT

    So what are you expecting, Laffy? Because from what I can tell reading your posts, you want Indiana to bring a full 40 minute effort every night, every day, against every opponent, no matter what the score, time, and state they are playing in. Sounds like too lofty of expectations for an “overrated” team like Indiana. Actually, it is impossible for ANY team to EVER achieve. Never, in the history of any sport, has an individual or team brought 100% effort to every single competition. There will always be nights off, or even 2 plays taken off during the second half, second inning, second period, because the competitors are humans, not machines. What are you trying to tell us “idiots, retards, fanboys, ref-bashers” besides that IU is overrated? I am not sure whether to feel sorry for you or not that you seem to derive more pleasure out of being “right” (which is still questionable) rather than watching IU succeed.

  • jm #73


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 5:15 PM EDT

    Psych….well said. I usually find myself beginning to read his (laffy) posts and end up stopping halfway through and moving on. A little too much condescending, know it all “analysis”. Iu has two loses now to two teams that are definitely two of the top 25 teams in the country…yea laffy you were right..this team sucks. Also bo Ryan is now the greatest mastermind of a coach that this world has ever seen, even though they’ve got four loses. God only knows what some of you would be saying if crean had four loses at this point in the season, something tells me he wouldn’t be getting half the praise of Mr. Bo Ryan

  • Laffy #74


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 5:19 PM EDT

    Yes, I want a full effort the entire game every game…..you know, like every freaking coach in every sport all over America wants.

    And spare me it’s “impossible” as we aren’t even CLOSE to doing it. If we did it 75% of the time, I wouldn’t complain about it. We do it about 50%.

    No, I’d rather be wrong and IU win. My ego isn’t massive like yours.

    You guys are “tired of me”? Well, I’m tired of you.

    Nothing but wetting your pants over the refs 24/7 (the chat was a complete joke last nite with that) and telling people they are “idiots” or “nitpickers” for pointing out our flaws when you call every other team in America “over-rate”d” because you all nitpick them.

  • Laffy #75


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 5:23 PM EDT

    IU fans brag about being “the smartest in the country” yet only look at the wins and losses as a gauge of how we’re doing…..all while crying about the refs non-stop.

    LOL!!

    And only a fool would compare us to Wisky since we were…..you know….ranked # 1 in the country at the start of the season.

  • jm #76


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 5:28 PM EDT

    Wins and loses is a pretty good gauge at how a team is doing…2-15 =bad 15-2 = good. Follow me?

  • psych #77


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 5:33 PM EDT

    Of course every coach wants 100% effort every night. I do too, but I also know it is impossible for that to happen. I, as (hopefully) you, want Indiana to put in as close to 100% effort every night. I want them to win every game too, which I also know is generally impossible in today’s age. I am disappointed when they lose, and I am disappointed when there is a clear lack of effort.
    On the other hand, I do not immediately crown them “overrated”, laugh at/derisively mock everyone else who still has hope this team has national title aspirations when they lose to Wisconsin at home, or beat Jacksonville by 25 instead of 75 at home. Imagine how the players feel when they lose a game like this, or Crean. They are much bigger competitors than us sitting at home on our computers. Are there clear problems IU has? Sure. But instead of thinking they are not going to fix them, or that they are going to lose before the Sweet 16, as a fan, I like to believe they will make adjustments, learn from this loss, and continue improving. Isn’t that what a fan is supposed to do? What fun is it believing they are screwed 17 games into the season when there are still 23 more to play?

  • psych #78


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 5:35 PM EDT

    P.S. I have not used ad hominem attacks on you yet, so please, spare me the “massive ego” stuff you are throwing at me. I am actually trying to have a real conversation with you. That kind of thing only makes it more difficult.

  • jm #79


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 5:45 PM EDT

    Sarcasm by the way…

  • Laffy #80


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 6:08 PM EDT

    jm–It’s not the only gauge.

    It sure is funny how all you guys ONLY look at wins and losses when your hero Knight never did.

    As I said, I used to have a picture of him above my desk with the quote, “The real competition is yourself”….or something like that.

    I bet you there were MANY times he was MAD after a win and almost happy after a loss if we played great but still came up short.

    I really couldn’t care less about wins and losses. I care about HOW we’re playing. I care if we’re living up to our potential. I care about if we’re improving. I care about us playing hard. Wins and losses is WAY down the line.

    How do the players feel after losses like that? Seems to me like “not too much.” as they looked like garbage against Wisky.

    After the meltdown against Minny, we were told, “The guys are going to work their butts off to come back strong”….yet looked like complete garbage.

    Hell, it looks like our bench went to Tijuana to party instead of practice.

    And don’t tell me what the rules are for “being a fan.” Yo sound exactly like the clowns who said, “If you didn’t support Georgie’s war, you hate America.”

  • TsaoTsuG #81


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 6:32 PM EDT

    jm, in acknowledgment of your post and preference. It is a matter of preference. I love to see the contest of athleticism vs. intelligence, coaches establishing their ‘will’ on one another, tactic vs. tactic as laid out in a strategy.

    No insult to you (and I really mean that- absolutely non-meant, but if I’m looking for running up and down and athleticism alone Track and Field on land would be the sport I’d pay the big ticket for. I much prefer to see ‘team’ play, individual talent that shows self-discipline and values those ‘team virtues’ and some hint of what goes on in a ‘classroom’ (gymnasium) on the days when the talents are taught and honed.

    But don’t follow my preferences. I love 1-0 scores between top, top soccer teams, 1-0 in well pitched, defensively played five hit baseball games, 53-49 scores in great basketball games between Indiana and Purdue when Knight and Keady, Heathcote and Hank Iba fought toe to toe and the mental side of the game would nearly always come out on top.

    As for the joy of jumping up and down, doing wild twisting acrobatics and ‘running as fast as they can’…I go with my 5 and 3 year-old grandchildren to their ‘jumping gym’ and listen to them laugh.

    Basketball and its beauty have been destroyed by the influence of the NBA.

  • TsaoTsuG #82


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 6:36 PM EDT

    Geoff, the ‘drunk tank’ allegory….10 pts!

  • TsaoTsuG #83


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 6:46 PM EDT

    #43 is a great post JPat! Especially your thoughts on paragraph 2. I’ve always noticed the references to your kids in your posts. Everything else is just moment, the kids are our essence and for that we need to show them the proper perspective of our moments in our lives in the totality of what their lives are and will be about, if we do it right.

    You were lucky to run into that guy in the stands. A lot of wisdom from his lips. But, from what I’ve read from you, you have a good start on it. Regards to your kids and wife.

  • Podunker #84


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 7:06 PM EDT

    Tsao & JPat, count me among those Hoosier fans that cared way too much for far too long. I’m much better now, more mature, with a better perspective. Getting older does that to you. So does having children. It got to the point that no one in my family would ever sit and watch an Indiana BB or football game with me. And no one would even be in the same house when the Chicago Bears played on T.V. Passion is great and wonderful, but it is important to keep one’s perspective.

  • jm #85


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 7:11 PM EDT

    Tsao point taken. I, for one, don’t even watch the NBA because of most of the reasons you have listed. I guess what I mean is Wisconsin notoriously takes that style of play to a whole new level, a level where it weeds out guys like myself who find themselves annoyed with just how the slow pace is. I enjoy watching a team that’s as athletic as this years iu team but also that plays the game right and as a team (I think we are 21 or 22 in assists per game). I suppose there’s a certain balance you have to find.

  • Chet #86


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 7:59 PM EDT

    psych and jm,
    intelligent, well thought out posts that you completely wasted your time posting.

    I applaud the effort, though.

  • Laffy #87


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 8:10 PM EDT

    Speaking of ad hominen attacks…….

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #88


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 8:17 PM EDT

    Straitjacket your emotions, JPat..Go all frontal lobotomy at football games for the sake of your kids.

    Hell, let them quietly take you by the hand and lead you down to the end zone playground….Dead fan walking..Dead fan walking.

    You’ve paid a long price for that “jerk” comment aimed at Wilson..And now you appease those that crucified you for the beautiful innocence in the careless love your unshackled passions. Save face for the those having no right to judge you as you appease the envy of the arrogant and soulless by driving the stake into your own heart. You belong again, JPat. Your Yacht Club membership card has been reinstated. You can once again walk into the smoke-filled rooms of hypocrisy, smell the stale odor stuck to the walls of layer upon layer the thick piety their moldy righteousness and commonplace condescension…Reclaim your corner table…Congratulation. Get the order of chicken for your family while they be reserved the prime rib.

    I know better, JPat.

  • TJAUBURN #89


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 9:46 PM EDT

    Once again terribly out coached,out played unprepared!We are SOFT,no second half game plan,Cody continues to not demand the ball,Watford continues to be a no show!Jordy is a offensive and defensive liability right now and continues to fall down dribble into traps and last night took two of the worst shots of his career!Watford should never be allowed to dribble the ball or take the ball to the hoop,he can’t finish. I have seen middleschool kids take ball to the hoop stronger.I wonder if Will is Watford’s roommate? I have never seen him be so bad for so long. Wisconson is very tough and had a plan for the game and execuited it perfectly. I couldn’t believe how bad we looked on our own floor,no help defense,giving up layups.We have alot of work to do to compete in the Big 10.YOU CAN’T LOSE AT HOME IN THE CONFERANCE and you have to win half of your road games.We are the hunted now and we have to be ready to play every day. But this loss belongs to the coach and staff!

  • Ron #90


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 9:50 PM EDT

    Other than that they looked pretty good

  • TsaoTsuG #91


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 9:56 PM EDT

    Podunker- a contemplative response by

    1. What do you think was the reason that Wisconsin’s ‘miracle’ shots were falling through and our’s weren’t?
    2. Most boats- actually all boats- have been pulled off the harbor. Easier to hit the water from a car driving by Lake Shore Drive. It’s winter. On Sheehey, seems to me he’s trying to figure it (or himself) out.
    3. When someone has played as hard and well as VO has, he earns his right to work it out when things don’t go as hoped. Given the fact that is has been about 10 years since anyone in candy stripes played with his intensity, consistency, heart and focus, I’m holding off and assuming he deserves my support- even on a not-so-good day- before I bench his butt.
    4. Refs had nothing to do with it last night. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Unless your thesis says that first they looked at the socks and then decided when NOT to blow their whistle on a travel. Please… Podunker.
    5. Yep!…those dummies…withhold their degrees! Of course, ‘everybody’ (except them) knew that.
    6. Simple! Next game, as soon as they are handed the ball to inbound following the break, an uppercut to the genital area’s reproductive system would be ideal. Especially if we have a lead.
    Added question- What is your view on the coaches’ role in the season’s unfolding? You’ve been pretty defensive of him thus far. Any observations?

  • TsaoTsuG #92


    Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:49 PM EDT

    Harvard…damned straight he does (owe it to his kids). Of course, unless he wants them to grow up wondering what his parents thought of them and being just as hurt, paralyzed and resentful as you’ve described yourself on more than one occasion.

    JPat gets it right about his kids and about his role when they are within earshot.

    By the way, the ‘jerk’ comment had little if any relevance on the issue. The issue was about rumors, gossip, unfounded allegations and how they can affect an individual’s life and, especially, how they can knock the shovel out of a working man’s career.

    It’s also been (to my knowledge) buried at this point. So, unless there is a specific reason you want to bring it back up, suggest stirring the dried up stuff in the toilet will do nothing but bring back the smell.

    p.s. Your ‘redheaded’ Wisconsin guy was more than I want to see more than once a year. A good Chicago lesson…watch out for guys with a ‘w’ and a ‘z’ in the same last name.

  • Let's be fair. #93


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:21 AM EDT

    If you say Crean is not a good coach when we win you are removed from reality. If you say Crean is not a good coach after a loss you are a hater. But can’t you see Crean is like a mad chef who only wants to barbecue. Now whatever he has in the pantry when he cooks: on the grill with it. He never ever cooks something appropriate from what he has. Lately he has recruited lots and lots of fancy ingredients. Dumping them all on the grill is getting old.

    He also has harder practices than John Harbaugh (that’s what John Harbaugh said). No wonder players break so often: Roth in the past, Elston, Creek. I think Crean is going to grill IU basketball into the most monumental waste of talent in history.

    Bo Ryan playing a 1950 style of basketball (Crean’s words) beat the hell out of Crean (11 wins streak). On this site I read numerous times how Knight is the past and Crean is the future. And Knight’s basketball still beats the living light out of Crean’s. Crean’s basketball style is a phantasmagory.

  • Geoff #94


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:27 AM EDT

    There is no stat or streak surrounding IU basketball during the Crean era that is relevant prior to last season.

  • Egg on your face. #95


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:36 AM EDT

    Blah blah Goofy. Sampson came and beat Wisconsin when Wiscy was #2. His very first time around when Wiscy was at their best. By comparison Crean has beat them NEVER. How’s that for a stat, Crean lover? Crean’s era is already ill, suffering from diabetes due to an inane excess of cupcakes.

  • Geoff #96


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:55 AM EDT

    I’m not defending his losses for this season or last, but IU lost to EVERYONE before that… Those games had nothing to do with Crean and Ryan.

    Sampson was always working with B1G calibre scholarship players, including guys that went to the NBA, plus he was a hell of a coach.

    Crean still has a lot to prove outside of recruiting ability, but he doesn’t have to apologize for losing to Wiscy his first 3 seasons.

  • Egg on your face. #97


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 1:32 AM EDT

    I’m not defending his losses for this season or last, but IU lost to EVERYONE before that…

    Nope. In 2008 he beat Iowa. In 2009 he beat Michigan and Minnesota. In 2009 he beat #20 Illinois, #18 Minnesota. That is not EVERYONE. Can you count two top 20 teams? He also had a few other wins at Northwestern and Penn State during those three years.

    Then last year, in the 2011 season he beat #1 Kentucky, #2 Ohio State, #5 Michigan State and #16 Michigan.

    But he still beat Wisconsin NEVER. Now that’s some streak.

  • J Pat #98


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 9:10 AM EDT

    I was not going to post but I really want to be #98 to get closer to 100 on this thread. Harvard and Tsao and all…thanks for the words. I don’t really know what to say other than the man who spoke to me at the football game was a gentle soul and very soft spoken and like I said…I get it now. I am as big a fan as I have ever met of IU and have 2 degrees, working on a 3rd…Dustin should come do a story on my basement some time, my collection is crazy of IU memorabilia..so big I have a trunk full and have had to sell some stuff. Living through the IU sports is what I have always done but I am slowly getting past it. GOD knows I care and will always care but I think growing older with the family has changed me and also these 2 things…the football team being like it is for this long…you have to understand I moved here in 94…so you can see how much winning I have seen and I was a senior at IU when Knight was fired. What I am trying to say is the 2 sports I supported with all my heart have been so bad (es football) and I would not say I have given up but my expectations are tempered now and I think for good. I thought after watching IU last year with what we had coming back and what the media blew up that they would be crazy good/dominant through the whole season and they simply…are not. I am not sure I will ever expect wins any more but if they happen I will be on cloud 9…it helps my health and yes…it helps set a good example for the little ones. I still have the passion but won’t have the craziness…won’t be the guy who has a heart attack while watching a game lol.

    I also want to say I am a good man, a peaceful person who would never to anyone’s face or on a blog come and say something I thought was untrue. I lost sleep over the Wilson thing on this blog because I had a lot of info and to be honest…95% of it turned out to be true but now I realize the other 5% could have been damaging and that is why I am glad I almost never went into specifics.

    As far as the “yacht club”…I watched someone use that term…what, 4 years ago or so when I started posting and Mike P was the first to befriend me on here because we had a lot in common with football, both our passion and why we are not coaching at a high level today. The blog was more accepting of peoples opinions at that time, much more. I both posted too much back then and was on a computer too much but my kids were younger, I had time. The kids are older now, I am involved and I am not sure I will ever post like I used to…it can get mean on here and I fell into that a couple times myself and regret it big time. I think in the end it is going to have to be required that you go through an extensive sign up process and even have a picture posted like facebook so you cannot be so anonymous…at first I did not like that idea but now I realize it is a must if we ever want to get back that civility and common respect which has been missing as blogging has become more popular and the world has become a little messier. I have been a leader sometimes in life but never a follower, I have walked the line well…I don’t want acceptance on this blog…if I died today I would want to be remembered as someone who was passionate about IU, loved his family, and tried to tell it like it was both positive and negative on here!!!

    Whew, now where’s the Tylenol??

    I will still admit I am trying to understand the loss vs Wisconsin…I think it might be top 5 of all time that I just don’t get. I have watched Jordy as he is our favorite player and the last couple games…something is not right…his body language is different. I wonder if it is the pressure?? I also wonder if that old Wisky coach just has our #…

  • J Pat #99


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 9:11 AM EDT

    Damn, that was my longest ever I think…#99, now who will be 100???

  • TJAUBURN #100


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 9:45 AM EDT

    If Crean has all the answers to what needed to be done by the team against Wisconson to beat them why not call a few timeouts and keep the team to the game plan or heaven forbid reload at half time and make adjustments to what they did to us in the first half?When you have as many coaches as he does sitting on the bench you would think that someone other than the 17,000 plus fans in attendance would have figured that out!Maybe play hardnosed defense,play through Cody,blockout,and quit dribbleing the ball so much waiting for the turn over to happen.Just to name a few.In the last two years there is no excuse to lose at home to a unrated team!However you have to love the swing offense and one of toughest defenses led by the miestro BO Ryan.All he does is win!CTC is a recruiter but just winning games means nothing if you don’t win championships!It is becoming apparent that we struggle against good teams and the cupcake schedule continues to haunt us.I would take a little 50′s basketball if it would help the team compete against the good teams.If we compete and lose I would be able to deal with that.But to be beat up on your own floor unacceptable!Where is Mo CREEK?

  • Ron #101


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 10:28 AM EDT

    * We are up to 4 digit spam protection?

    * Pre-conference scheduling. I agree. After 2-3-4 games what would be the rational? Win by 50 points and accomplish really nothing?

    * We have no idea what Crean is asking of his players during timeouts. To have a microphone in the timeouts. He may be saying what you/we are saying but the execution is not there. I’d like to listen in on the halftimes. Something needs to be changed there

    * Yahoo sports has an interesting article on the NCAA meeting and potential changes. Shaq was the key note speaker. Impressed with his ideas.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #102


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 10:42 AM EDT

    So he was one of those soft spoken, whisper it in your ear, condescending types..? Probably some doctor on easy street with nothing better to do with his arrogant blow than bring it to a Saturday crowd …He picked you his target for the lesson of the day, JPat…The tired preacher preparing us all, tempering the foolish last gasps of Hoosier spirit. He has been given the gift to remind you from his supreme chair; the death, the inevitable, will soon come.

    “Temper your expectations?” IU football fans have long ago put “tempering” anything resembling hope in its pine box. Put flowers on that grave. And here’s JPat..in the stands…Booing at the grave. Calling to the ghost. Spitting at the ghost…Angry at the lazy specter known as IU football. Angry to the point he decides to go against his better nature, JPat discovers a flame calling to the passionless masses that have jumped in with the pine box; accepted its fate as their own from years and years of cheering in a field of cold zombies damned to mediocrity for all the comforts that live in the gentle breezes tempering.

    He makes a mistake of the flame and belts out his cry to breathe life into the ghost. JPat is not the poison that filled the stands with tempered cheers that filled the Hoosier helmets with heartless muffled jeers.

    On his way home he would have stopped. I see JPat pulling into a Dairy Queen to buy his kids a cone..He would have been visited by the ghost filling in his conscience, his heart, without the dose of arrogance from the “tempered” demon spoiled the lesson from the depths the deepest lessons of good are grown. and from those depths his heart JPat would find himself crawling out of the box, for his cries of boos were only the manifestations of a fear we all share..We fear to be the walking ghost amongst the living. JPat will never deliver that same fate upon the soul of IU football that the masses share as commonplace. His boo not from the same well as all the listless yells of hype that never sells..His call is not a yearly visit to the grave with flowers and empty tears from giving up before the first snap of the ball the last twenty years. JPat would have turned to his children and on his own accord and with his own proper beat his passion-filled heart, told them he was wrong to boo to the ghost. He would have explained to his kids that the evils of contentment, the foul taste of tempering the flame fully drowning in the mundane deceptions of accepting the past a measure any future perceptions made him cry his boo to the field..Misplaced when all the while he desired to scream it into every ear resigned in the seat of the soft spoken man with his arrogant spit…So sick of watching him sit on his hands content with fate bestowed upon something as if it can never blossom again..”That’s what made him so very angry at Hoosier football, kids. I was wrong. But to temper your heart is the greatest evil..For it’s only our hearts that bring it back to life. It’s only our never giving up that breathes hope into knowing what is decent and good shall never be abandon and forgotten. I will not abandon IU football and jump into the pine box of the tempered and passionless..And no matter how someone may one day try to temper your dreams, whether cloaked in rational muck of the soft tongues that slither and choke at the heart, your father shall throw his fire at that demon and damn it back to the cold grave it belongs.”

  • Laffy #103


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 10:49 AM EDT

    I’m still waiting to hear why it’s ok to boo our team at the games where the players can hear it but OVER THE LINE to criticize our players on here where they will never see it.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #104


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 10:54 AM EDT

    So he was one of those soft spoken, whisper it in your ear, condescending types..? Probably some doctor on easy street with nothing better to do with his arrogant blow than bring it to a Saturday crowd …He picked you his target for the lesson of the day, JPat…The tired preacher preparing us all, tempering the foolish last gasps of Hoosier spirit. He has been given the gift to remind you from his supreme chair; the death, the inevitable, will soon come.

    “Temper your expectations?” IU football fans have long ago put “tempering” anything resembling hope in its pine box. Put flowers on that grave. And here’s JPat..in the stands…Booing at the grave. Calling to the ghost. Spitting at the ghost…Angry at the lazy specter known as IU football. Angry to the point he decides to go against his better nature, JPat discovers a flame calling to the passionless masses that have jumped in with the pine box; accepted its fate as their own from years and years of cheering in a field of cold zombies damned to mediocrity for all the comforts that live in the gentle tempering breezes the preacher.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #105


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 10:56 AM EDT

    (cont)

    “Temper your expectations?” IU football fans have long ago put “tempering” anything resembling hope in its pine box. Put flowers on that grave. And here’s JPat..in the stands…Booing at the grave. Calling to the ghost. Spitting at the ghost…Angry at the lazy specter known as IU football. Angry to the point he decides to go against his better nature, JPat discovers a flame calling to the passionless masses that have jumped in with the pine box; accepted its fate as their own from years and years of cheering in a field of cold zombies damned to mediocrity for all the comforts that live in the gentle tempering breezes the preacher.

    He makes a mistake of the flame and belts out his cry to breathe life into the ghost. But JPat is not the poison that filled the stands with tempered cheers that filled the Hoosier helmets with heartless muffled jeers.

    On his way home he would have stopped. There’s JPat pulling into a Dairy Queen to buy his kids a cone..The ghost has been filling in his conscience, his heart, without the needed dose of arrogance from the “tempered” demon that spoiled the well of clean thought and lesson from the depths the deepest lessons of good are drawn.
    And from those depths his heart JPat would find himself crawling out of the box, for his cries of boos were only the manifestations of a fear we all share..We fear to be the walking ghost amongst the living.

    JPat will never deliver that same fate upon the soul of IU football that the masses share as commonplace. His boo not from the same well as all the listless yells of hype that never sells..His call is not a yearly visit to the grave with flowers and empty tears from giving up before the first snap of the ball the last twenty years. JPat would have turned to his children and on his own accord and with his own proper timing the beat his passion-filled heart, told them he was wrong to boo to the ghost. He would have explained to his kids that the evils of contentment, the foul taste of tempering the flame fully drowning in the mundane deceptions of accepting the past a measure any future perceptions, made him cry his boo to the field..Misplaced when all the while he desired to scream it into every ear resigned in the seat of the soft spoken man with his arrogant surrendered spit…So sick of watching that dead stump sit on his hands content with his assigned fate bestowed upon IU football as if it were something that can never blossom again..

    “That’s what made him so very angry at Hoosier football, kids. I was wrong. But to temper your heart is the greatest evil..For it’s only our hearts that bring it back to life. It’s only our refusal to give up that breathes hope into knowing what is decent and good shall never be abandon and forgotten.
    I will not abandon IU football and jump into the pine box of the tempered and passionless..And no matter how someone may one day try to temper your dreams, whether cloaked in rational muck of the soft tongues that slither and choke at the heart, your father shall throw his fire at that demon and damn it back to the cold grave it belongs.”

  • J Pat #106


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 11:04 AM EDT

    Harvard, you should write for a magazine or write a book…I enjoy your writing and appreciate it.

    Laffy, I booed Bill Lynch more than the team that day and he heard me…we made eye contact as he looked back…no joke! Feel bad about it now but at the time it was needed!

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #107


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 11:06 AM EDT

    oops.

    Sorry for the duplicate posts, Dustin.

    Feel free to erase #102…Or, erase it all if it suits your not so tempered temperament of such gibberish.

  • Laffy #108


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:04 PM EDT

    Yeah, I’m sure the players knew you were booing their coach instead of them.

    (rolleyes)

    Or that they appreciated your booing their coach anyway when they LOVED the guy.

    (rolleyes)

    Will HH find the nads to tell us why he goes CRAZY if players are ripped on here but say its perfectly ok to boo players or will he continue to be a hypocrite coward?

  • Chet #109


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:19 PM EDT

    J Pat, I guessing your kids are still kinda young. Maybe one day they will compete in a sport in college (honestly, I don’t if I want to wish that on you or not). Maybe they will compete at D1.

    If so, maybe they will compete against IU. A couple of mine did.

    I’ve been a rabid IU fan since the first time I realized I was blessed to be born on a better side of the Ohio River than was my father. But, I’ll tell you something, when my son walked out on to that mat facing a wrestler in a Hoosier singlet there was no question about where my allegiances lie.

    As you’ve obviously found out, there are things in life far more important than rooting for the old alma mater.

  • Laffy #110


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:28 PM EDT

    I want to add to the “I wasn’t booing the players, I was booing the coach” baloney.

    After every loss, the players will almost always say, “Our coaches gave us a great game plan. We just didn’t execute it correctly”…..and I bet most of them really believe that.

    So, when you’re booing the coach, in their minds, you’re still booing them.

    It’s beyond hilarious how you guys wet your panties when a player is ripped on here….when they will never see it…but say it’s ok to boo them to their face.

    Bigger hypocrites do not exist on earth……

  • J Pat #111


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:33 PM EDT

    Laffy, I have tried to be nice, I know what I was doing that day and I have never said you should not rip a player.

    Chet, I am with you on that…if I can stand to even watch. I understand now why the gymnasts at the Olympics parents looked down or walked the concourse when their kid was on….wow!!! BTW, I have an 8 and 7 year old…

  • Chet #112


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:49 PM EDT

    J Pat,
    Imagine watching your kids in what is probably the closest thing to combat as collegiate sports allow. My younger son competed in the NCAA Championships. He was down on the floor, in sport’s version of combat, in front of 25,000 screaming people, not to mention ESPN.

    It almost killed me.

  • Laffy #113


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 12:50 PM EDT

    Well, my posts are mostly directed at HH as he has a complete meltdown any time a player is ripped on here yet he thinks it’s perfectly ok to boo the team to their face.

  • Hoosier Clarion #114


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 1:14 PM EDT

    J Pat,

    I supported BL as you know because that is what my fan dictionary defines. But there where more times than not I privately wanted him to resign so IU could get another real chance on the gridiron. Lynch will do fine at Greencastle just as he was doing before TH plucked him to BTown. But that does not remove how relieved I am he is gone. I also wonder how long he and several other of the assistants would have lasted at IU if TH could have coached on for 5-6 more seasons?

    Feb. 16th happening took 1 step closer yesterday. Maybe.

  • Hoosier Clari-yawn #115


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 2:04 PM EDT

    ^ Chances are you will write the same about Crean sooner or later. (Hopefully sooner rather than later.)

  • Harvard for Hillbillies #116


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 2:14 PM EDT

    JPat-

    I don’t see you as the type of fan that would constantly chant verbally abusive language at an opposing player/coach yet one wearing the colors of cream and crimson. Remember those Hoosier fans at the Assembly Hall game, IU vs Maryland, a couple years back? I find that sort of stuff far uglier than your two boos in a lifetime at a Hoosier football game.

    We all go overboard occasionally. It’s one thing to drift out of bounds once in a blue moon and, upon listening to your decent conscience, feel some regret, have some introspection, and conclude you weren’t very proud of your actions. You change. You apologize to your kids for acting like an ass in front of them. Most importantly, you cut yourself a break. If you can’t cut yourself a break for being wrong, how on earth can you ever expect your children to confide in you and share their own regrets for drifting outside their own good nature?

    It’s another thing to turn it into a living…To constantly abuse…to thrive on malicious treatment. To qualify every ounce of good with 15 ounces of bad for every pound of fat your supposed support of something you claim to care deeply about.

    Your friends at Hoosier Scoop know perfectly well that a crucifixion of JPat for his rare going against his true nature is beyond asinine. I believe it was asinine when it was done to you on Hoosier Scoop. I also believe it was asinine coming from a stranger at a football game.

    There’s a real thirst in all facets of sports coverage(TV broadcasts, talk shows, blogs, websites the major national publications) to sling mud. Everyone wants to talk louder than the next guy in the room..It soon becomes nothing but a loud redundant buzzing of nothingness. There’s also a thirst for neighbor to not be very neighborly anymore…a thirst to walk with your nose pointed so high to the heavens you forgot the ground looks like. …a thirst to preach and pose for the camera…a thirst to pretend you have all the answers..a thirst to sell yourself everyday with refusal to ever take one small step in concessions you aren’t the only thing that matters in this world…It’s called Facebook.

    If you believe the gentleman in the stands was acting in complete selfless interest to your growth as an adult, I’m good with accepting that. If you would have told the listless king sitting on his perch to go to hell and mind his own damn business ..? Hmmm? That might just give me a reason to go to an IU football game. Hopefully a fight would break out…Lord knows there’s never any hitting going on down on the field.

  • Laffy #117


    Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 2:31 PM EDT

    It is not “asinine” for a stranger to tell someone they shouldn’t boo their own team.

    If so, it’s “asinine” for you to go CRAZY any time a player is ripped on here…..hypocrite.

    What IS asinine is “hoping a fight breaks out at a football game.”

    Get a grip.

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