ScoopTalk: Victor Oladipo is going home…just barely


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  • Joyce Meyer says:

    All the coaches that beat Tom Crean this season: out!

    (Groce is still alive but just barely.)

    See? God is watching!

  • LoveOurHoosiers says:

    UCLA fired Howland.

    Who do you think gets it?

  • Southern Illinois Hoosiers' Fan says:

    Didn’t Indiana lose to Ohio State at home during Senior night? I’m sure Ohio State’s still in the tournament. I think I remember Craft hitting the game winning three with .5 seconds left.

  • Debbie says:

    Great block by Christian Watford to keep the Hoosiers alive. I said all season that he’s one of the pillars of this team. Glad to see I was right all along.

    Knight and Alford beat Syracuse when it mattered most. Now let’s see if Crean can do it. Coaching award coming up for Crean’s avant-garde methods: “Let’s pray!

  • bart295 says:

    Rmk and Alford have nothing to do with this team or the upcoming game against the cuse …this is a new era in IU bb and we should keep that in mind…btw K Smart was the reason we won they 87 championship!

  • Publico says:

    But without Alford’s points, Smart’s would not have mattered.

  • Husky Tom says:

    Yeah, Smart. He just showed up and: *banner*.

  • WestCoast Hoosier says:

    I’m noticing that few people are commenting on the wisdom of Crean’s substitution pattern in this game. And many have been complaining about that for months.

    But I just rewatched the game, and one of the things that stands out most clearly, is that Wyatt ran out of gas.

    Indiana’s substitution pattern and rotation of various people on him are what won the game for Indiana.

    By the end, Wyatt was hardly guarding anybody (that’s why Vic was so wide open for that three pointer) and then he didn’t have the energy to get his shot to the basket with Vic in his grill.

    By contrast, Victor was fresher although I’m sure he too was tired.

    Credit Crean for building toward that all year by his substitution pattern.

  • HoosierSmitty says:

    Helped keep us out of foul trouble too, WestCoast. Good call.

  • Chet says:

    I didn’t listen to the Illinois/Miami post game. Did Charles Barkley whine for ten minutes about Illinois having the game taken away by the refs like he did for Iowa State? Since he picked Miami to win big I’m guessing no.

    He’s so lame.

  • Geoff says:

    Publico – I love me some Alford, but hopefully you’ll remember that Smart was named the Most Outstanding Player in the tourney. Besides hitting The Shot he did this:

    2nd Round vs Auburn – 20 pts, 9 rebounds, and 15 assists
    Sweet 16 vs Duke – 21 pts, 7 Reb, 3 assists
    Elite 8 – 10 pts
    Final 4 – 14 pts
    Title – 21 pts, 5 reb, 6 assists

    He also shot 33-55 FG (60%) and 20-24 FT (83%) in those 5 games.

    So yeah, Alford put up more points, but he didnt impact the games in as many other areas as Smart and I think maybe Alford got a few of those buckets off Smart passes. So maybe it’s the other way around – Alford wouldn’t have mattered without Smart.

  • Rico Chet says:

    Steve Alfalfird matters a whole lot as an independent entity, o yes
    he does.

  • Husky Tom says:

    Meanwhile if we were to talk about Crean’s basketball history (by comparison with Alford) we can express that in many ways: zero, zilch, nada, nil, nothing, diddly-squat, goose egg, hill of beans, void, zip and zippo. It’s what can be said about his “coaching” acumen. For example his professed coaching plan towards the end with Temple: “Let’s pray!”

  • Rico Chet says:

    If Tom Crean is The Lord of the Happenstance, whereby his team’s success has nothing to do with coaching, then Steve Alfalfird is the direct opposite; we might say the “Lord of Causality.” His team’s performance- their inability to beat lesser teams in the postseason- has EVERYTHING to do with his coaching.

    There you have it, The Lord of Causality!

  • Podunker says:

    Wow, I just read that MN fired Tubby Smith. I guess Shaka Smart is the leading candidate since MN’s AD hired him at VCU.

    Hey Gophers, good luck trying to find a better coach to replace Tubby Smith. With that dump (a.k.a., The Barn) your teams play in, not sure any coach could recruit the talent necessary to compete for Big Ten titles. Your basketball facilities suck, your weather is about as bad as it gets (I was on business in Minneapolis on May 5th one year and it snowed), and you have no significant tradition of winning in basketball. Your administration is in denial if you think Tubby was the problem. My guess is that Tubby is relieved to be leaving and will take his substantial severance check and immediately retire in a warmer and sunnier location.

  • Ron says:

    Brad Stevens had “no comment” when asked about the UCLA opening. What an opportunity for him to clean up a program. Hope he is not interested.

  • Podunker says:

    Ron, I know UCLA can throw a lot of money at Stevens, but I hope he is smart enough to avoid the mess he’d inherit at UCLA. Talk about delusional, UCLA Alums still think they can bring back the glory days when Wooden was the coach and won consecutive championships. I mean, UCLA just fired the coach that won the PAC 12 Conference Championship!

    It’s getting harder and harder to recruit the best athletes to schools located in Los Angeles. UCLA is still a very good school, but the city and state are sliding into the abyss. It’s a very expensive city and it’s not particularly safe, so a man like Stevens, who may have a young family, would be wise to avoid LA. Expectations for the basketball team are outrageous (kind of like Kentucky) and LALA fever is a real issue for young people that did not grow up in the area.

    But then again, UCLA did just complete a major renovation to their basketball facilities, and the city does enjoy the best weather on earth. Those factors plus about $4 million a year might be enough to lure Stevens to UCLA.

  • Husky Tom says:

    UNM history of post-season flops is not directly related to Alford. It was there long before Alford came. Ummmm… Sarkisian and the UW Husky football program would be a far better example. Yes, Rico, that must be what you have in mind: Husky football and the Apple Cup of 2012. Or the Alamo Cup of 2011 and Nick Holt’s demise. Or, Boise State last year. Or, pick any season, and there you have it: failure after failure. Toilet bowl after toilet bowl.

    Now the fact remains that Alford and Knight beat Syracuse when it mattered most. Let’s see if if Tom Creap can do it.

  • Chet says:

    Tubby coached at Kaintuck so he could handle any stench that might surround UCLA. They could do a lot worse than to hire Tubby, if he’d have them.

    If Calapari didn’t already coach America’s basketball cesspool he’d certainly be a great fit for the UCLA.

    I’m pretty sure Minnesota WILL do a lot worse than Tubby. They are kidding themselves if they think a new face will fix everything.

    Big Ten or not, I’m not sure that the players that Shaka Smart recruited to VCU would have any interest in coming out to the Big House On the Prarie. He’s no doubt an excellent coach but, as Po suggested, coaching isn’t their problem.

    Tubby’s firing is probably good news for the Hoosiers, though.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Smart hit THE game-winner in ’87…(And why are we even discussing players and championships from 26 years ago? I thought Tsao and Harvard were the guys on here that were supposed to be clinging to the days of short shorts..?), but aren’t there really “game-winners” scattered about an entire game?

    Didn’t Alford hit a monumental last-second 3-pointer to end the first half of the ’87 Championship? What does that momentum do for the team?

    I always look at big games like a title fight..There isn’t two halves…There are multiple rounds with multiple momentum punches that create surges in a team’s confidence…Conversely, the opponent can deliver a series of shocking blows, a flurry of buckets, that could kill an otherwise relatively even contest.

    Jordy’s pair of buckets yesterday were every amount as big an uppercut as any 3-point shot the sealed the victory. The pull-up jumper he hit while moving hard to his right and squaring from 15 feet was a much more difficult bucket(especially considering the pressure-packed tension in the arena that comes with a long grind-it-out game; a game an entire season hinges and every stroke of a jumper carries potential exuberance or disappointing conclusions of unrealized goals)than his open 3-pointer, but they were both huge.

    Sheehey’s late second-half triple was also a dagger..

    Watford’s block was as powerful as any standing eight count in a title fight. That block was analogous to ducking a George Foreman killer right hand when the Hoosier legs and fortitude had already been tested to the near breaking point. That dunk goes in and Watford fouls in the process? Fight over. We’re knocked out.

    Game-winners encompass an entire game…Sometimes they’re far less obvious than big buckets and stupendous blocks…It could be the simple denial a passing lane or the saving of a loose ball from heading out of bounds…

    We all love the last-second heroics, but to deal, harness, and dispense of the “bigness” these games, subdue in your mind the level of pressure in these games, takes a rare athlete with a fighter mentality I doubt many of us can understand…I think my feet would just freeze…My elbows would lock. I would move about the court like I was holding back some doo-doo I had accidentally released and piled into my shorts.

    Different stanzas become almost separated out of the blended whole..Title fights find home in key individual match-ups ..It all plays out in confusing overlay of individual battles and team momentum…And with every blow delivered is the chance to kill six earlier rounds of momentum. We segment the games into neat halves and review statistics in packaged condensed time intervals, but it rarely tells little of the true moments games precariously hinge. The one big shot that finally ends a long scoring drought…the huge defensive play or steal that slows an opponent on the cusp of running away with the game.

    Sometimes it’s just a matter of how much fight is in the fighter. When all the scorecards say your team should throw in the towel, they come out of the next corner bell with a refusal to die more admirable than any that may actually be given the praise a so-called “winner.”

    And sometimes we get too caught up in the X’s and o’s and the coaches that micromanage the game to what we believe is perfection..I think there are some coaches that have the gift to see all the parallels, the fights within the bigger battles, the various ways to seize momentum, and win key rounds, the mysteries of capturing the energy in a game, and how it all interacts and overlaps. We only see the big canvas and we oversimplify because we’ve never been involved with the brushstrokes. We jump to criticize an untimely substitution when the fight manager in the corner, our coach, may be looking at things we just don’t have the ability to see or the experience to judge.

  • Punjab says:

    I love conspiracy theories. Just throwing this out there, but why would MN fire Tubby unless they thought they had something already in the works? They had some bad losses, but also some big wins as well as an upset win in the tourney. It’s unlikely that Mbakwe comes back for a 7th, 8th, and 9th season (you never know with that guy…), but they have some athletes and it’s not as if their outlook is completely bleak. If they’re truly rolling the dice, who do they think they’re going to lure in to coach? I almost have to assume they’re hedging their bets with one specific guy in mind. Maybe they know something we don’t.

  • Chet says:

    “Didn’t Alford hit a monumental last-second 3-pointer to end the first half of the ’87 Championship?”

    Harvard, my fading memory recalls that he was even fouled and it was a four point play.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    And isn’t it just as big a story that an Indiana shut-in, a kid that has lived in the backyard of Bloomington his entire life, and dreamed all his years for nothing other than a shot to one day wear the candy stripes and uphold the honor everything embodied in that uniform, is taking his little dream all the way to Washington? All the kid had his entire life was doubters…Just a small town hick that stared at Assembly Hall fooling himself that he could one day belong in that locker room…And now he takes that childhood vision a thousand miles to a world he’s never known, to a city representative of our freedoms paralleling the dreams our Founding Fathers, holding onto a hope of no dream being too big, the ideals that anyone’s right to dream and achieve is what freedom is all about? Maybe it’s Jordan Hulls that’s “going home.”

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    Chet-

    You may very well be correct..But I seem to have a memory of him quickly scurrying off the court, heading for the locker room, as the ball swished through the nets….all kinda “day at the office.” business casualness Friday, motion without a hair falling out of place. Enigma..? For all the stiffness in that hair came a cool as a cucumber mentality.

  • Chet says:

    Now that I think about it the four point play, I believe, occurred in the UNLV game.

    Or, it could have been a third down punt. It was a long time ago.

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