ScoopTalk: Thoughts from a weekend at North Central

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36 comments:
#1
WestCoast Hoosier
Monday, July 15, 2013 - 1:03 AM EDT

There is just something about an oral presentation with back and forth that makes it highly informative. Your Zimmerman discussion, for example, shed a whole new light on him.

And I noted that, just as you suggested that some of these guys need to put some weight on, you nicely fleshed out the stories on these potential Hoosiers.

Okonoboh sounds very good although I worry about getting ahead of ourselves when they’re still undecided. I’m hoping that (a) he decides to come to IU and (b) that comparing someone to Perea will sound better after this year. Go Hanner!

 
#2
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, July 15, 2013 - 12:03 PM EDT

Is Dustin starting the process of building another Hakeem Perea…?

 
#3
Podunker
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 11:23 AM EDT

Is everybody on vacation? No new stories for two days? I know it’s a slow time of the year, but there has to be some IU sports news to write about.

 
#4 Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 12:16 PM EDT

You’re absolutely right Podunker. Here’s some news: per Twitter, Jordan Hulls is engaged. The ramifications are many, discuss.

 
#5
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 1:57 PM EDT

Didn’t he just head to Poland? That was quick! I wonder if she’s a Pole dancer?

 
#6
TsaoTsuG
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 2:25 PM EDT

Podunker, a question- do I detect a bit of disrespectful sarcasm in Jeremy’s reply to your observation referencing the lack of new material in the blog? (Your comment was absolutely accurate). That, if true, would be sad and inappropriate.

Allow me an example that may shed some additional light on your observation. I just now saw that the US World University Games (with two Hoosiers on it) defeated Finland and won 9th place. (Oh Goody! We’re number 9! We’re number 9!).

Then, I wondered, who beat us? Searched the blog. The ‘basketball’ heading-Zilch! Then searched the summary in the ‘subscription’ side and noticed that Canada had eliminated us from the championship qualifiers and that we had defeated Germany. I did rely on the blog to follow the WUGs thinking that, with our two top returning players on the representing our country, certainly that was news worthy of being mentioned. So, neither did I get some review of both Sheehey’s and Ferrel’s play.

I do think you have a good point regarding the absence of news in the blog. And, I do think that under all circumstances readers/blog participants are due proper respect in the blog… without ‘attitude’. Just as strongly as I feel that the blog administrators are due respect from the other blog participants. Perhaps, the blog is becoming so cumbersome (given reduced budget and personnel cuts) that the HT feels it would be better if it simply ‘went away’. That’s one solution. But the answer to your question; and DD’s sarcasm on ‘exaggerating’ on an accurate track and field clarification are both totally gratuitous sarcasm and out-of-place.

Professionalism demands respect for the reader. While the blogs are separate from the rest of the newspaper, they are an informal part of it by extension.

 
#7
Ron
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 2:46 PM EDT

Some recruitment news. Tyrus Battle was scheduled for IU visit on June 20th, “but something came up”. I have many wonderful memories of when that used to happen to me in my youth. Oh well.

 
#8
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 3:03 PM EDT

Tsao-

I sorta thought Podunker’s inquiry had a tone of disrespect. Keep in mind that the ScoopTalk session was posted on the weekend. Jeremy and Dustin are working weekends and going the extra mile to provide us some basketball coverage on targeted recruits of interest. I doubt if you’ll find that sort of effort coming from many other journalists working in Bloomington..or for that matter, journalists working for any relatively small to mid-sized outlet covering local college sports.

They likely deserve some time off. I don’t think you’ll find many that work harder within the spectrum of covering a particular university’s college sports. They have a lot of multiple duties within their many roles covering national sports stories and IU sports. There work load is much broader than something like ITH that only needs to concentrate on functioning as a blog. What often looks effortless is likely far more time consuming than any of us realize.

 
#9
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 3:05 PM EDT

haha..[Their] work load

 
#10
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 3:18 PM EDT

Keep in mind that there were two other stories(in addition to this ScoopTalk that was put together on a Sunday)written for the blog over the weekend.

And we’re bitching because nothing was put on the blog on Monday? Seems like needless bitching to me.

Football Big 10 media day(if you bothered to listen to the ScoopTalk up until the conclusion) was mentioned as being very near and there was mention by Dustin of much more football coverage ahead…Sit tight and cool your jets. Go watch some Poles pole dancing…There are many productive ways to pass the time during such horrible lapses of IU coverage courtesy the completely sedentary sloths working for the HT.

 
#11
Chet
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 4:31 PM EDT

Jeremy, you need to learn your place…and make sure to use respectful initials.

 
#12 Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 5:53 PM EDT

Thanks Harvard,
Look, let me do a few clarifications. Tsao, on the 100-meter thing I wasn’t trying to be combative or sarcastic. I accept that there’s a significant difference between 100 yards and 100 meters and that was just my screw up. I was jabbing you about your claim that 10.9 would win a lot of Big Ten meets, which it wouldn’t, but I wasn’t mad at anyone for pointing out that I had a typo. But the point all along is that J-Shun Harris is fast, which I’m pretty sure everyone agrees with.
I’ll apologize for the lack of World University Games coverage on here. Obviously, as Tsao pointed out, we’ve had the write-ups in the paper and on the subscription part of the website and not on here. That’s my fault. I was running around Indy all weekend covering Adidas and was inconsistent about sitting down and putting those releases on the blog. Plus, once they got beat twice and were out of medal contention, I lost interest and I shouldn’t have done that. So that’s on me, and I apologize. I made Adidas the priority because it was something we could attend as opposed to a tournament in Russia that we could not, but I still could’ve posted releases and box scores. My bad.
That being said, we do, every once in a while, step away from this thing and take care of other parts of our lives. Considering that we’ll be working 6-7 days a week from August through May and June if IU goes to Omaha again, this little dead period is the time to do that. We’re not trying to “make the blog go away,” and we don’t have such major budget cuts that we can’t take it on. But we are a small newspaper and we don’t have a horde of underlings that we can throw on this stuff. You’ve worked at one of this country’s greatest paper’s Tsao, and for that I respect and commend you, but you have to realize that this isn’t anywhere near as big of an operation as you dealt with and never was even close to that. Frankly, considering that, I take it as a point of pride that because we went one day (one day, there were posts on Sunday, there were none on Monday, there’s one today) in mid-July without a blog post on a college beat, we had someone wondering what was going on. Tells me we must be doing something right.

 
#13
stationary front
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 6:13 PM EDT

Price: #4 was awesome. You the man.

 
#14
TsaoTsuG
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 7:06 PM EDT

I would not have said one word, had I not seen Price’s disrespectful dripping sarcasm directed at Podunker…following a much milder, but I still disrespectful comment on my ‘exaggeration’. My clarification between meters and yards was not even directed at you (as a criticism of your usage), but at trying to point out a significant difference in times to some (innocent)comment someone else made and included in that day’s postings.

In fact, and I repeat, Jeremy’s comment to Podunker was way over the top. I have had disagreements with Podunker, including one memorable one that I still regret. But, I’ll also point out a fact that is sometimes lost in the license of the blog universe. Us ‘old farts’ have earned our right to be old farts, and belittling comments or tone should not expect to be given free range. Just to make it clear again, the real problem was compounding the ‘exaggeration’ with the suggestion made to Podunker when the number of blog posts was questioned. (By the way, the same is true- I feel- of comments made and directed towards HC.

Plus, to further clarify the observation, I believe the blog was not refreshed between Friday (perhaps Thursday) and yesterday/today. So the observation was valid.

One other point, since you point out I’m not inexperienced in writing and journalistic duties, deadlines, 3-5 stories and columns in one day and, most important, running a newspaper. When you have limited resources, economies of scale dictate that you don’t send two individuals to cover the same story. You spread the resources to satisfy as wide a demand as you can across the breadth of your audience.

Harvard- Tread carefully. A great response stolen from some TV show in which an old geezer says, ‘Careful sonny, I’m not too old to come and find ‘youse’”.(humor, don’t panic). (And I hope you wiped the lipstick off DD’s clothing).

 
#15
Ron
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 7:24 PM EDT

Price: #4 was awesome. You the man..

 
#16 Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 7:29 PM EDT

Tsao,
The blog was “refreshed” Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday with posts from the Adidas Invitational. Just because you don’t care about it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and we didn’t cover it.

 
#17 Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 7:33 PM EDT

And yeah, Jeremy was being a bit of a smart aleck, which he did because Podunker was coming by to take a shot at us being lazy. I say both parties have landed harmless jabs and we can move on.

 
#18
Podunker
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 7:37 PM EDT

Here’s my response to a few posts above:

1. I guess I was a little sarcastic in my post. I simply logged on and saw the same old story and noticed nothing new had been posted. That’s kind of like subscribing to the local newspaper, walking out to your driveway only to find that the paper has not been delivered for two days. I also had to consider if something was wrong with my computer since it is rare not to have fresh stories posted a couple times a day.

2. Appreciate your comments, Tsao, but I’m not bothered by a little sarcasm. If Mr. Price intended to respond with sarcasm, at least he responded and confirmed that my post got someone’s attention, which was the objective.

3. DD, remember, everything is relative to expectations. Yes, you guys are doing something right, and we’ve come to expect a steady flow of IU sports news and commentary. When we don’t get it, it darkens our day a little. And for the record, it was more like a day and a half, but who was counting.

 
#19
Podunker
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 7:48 PM EDT

Who would ever suggest that journalists working for the HT are lazy? Neither of you guys are old enough to have become lazy. I simply asked if everyone was on vacation. It’s the time of year when people take vacations. 20 years from now, when you’re working for the Chicago Sun Times, then you might be accused of being lazy. I don’t think anyone is lazy, but someone might need a vacation.

 
#20
Ron
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 7:50 PM EDT

Ok Dustin….I need to subscribe to the Bloomington paper to access the ‘special website’ right?

How about since I subscribe to the Martinsville paper (have no idea why. Can read it beween the sidewalk and the porch) and since somehow both papers are related (second cousins?), and you are in the Martinsville paper and magically on Sunday it’s all one paper, of which only the sports and outdoors section are of interest, should I have access to the ‘special website’? Maybe.

(feel free to add periods and stuff to make the above paragraph readable)

 
#21
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 8:03 PM EDT

How do you know someone wasn’t under the weather? I’m just getting over a nasty summer virus. Why asusme vacation?

Are these guys ever entitled to a sick day or personal day?

And why aren’t we picking on Mike Miller or Andy Graham? Whatever happened to those ‘Sage’ pieces from Andy?

 
#22
Ron
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 8:16 PM EDT

Camping in Utah last fall. Add a little ‘Sage’ to the camp fire. Nice.

 
#23 Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 8:33 PM EDT

Note to self: Learn to use smilies or emoticons to properly indicated light-hearted comments with a just a scoche of sarcasm.

And just for the record, I do have one foot out the door on vacation for the next week and a half. :-)

 
#24
Chet
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 8:35 PM EDT

Ron, whereabouts? I’ve done a good bit of camping in Utah. Love the terrain.

 
#25
Ron
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 9:12 PM EDT

Nebo Loop Road SE of Payson. American Fork Canyon and above Tibble Fork Reservoir. All of them have numerous campsites. Nice and quiet during the week. Resonable $ compaired to sites in Colorado.

My kids got together and purchased a cabin on 25 acres backing up onto a national forest. Cabin is only 400 sq ft. Solar panels for power with generator backup. Well water with water rights. Between Heber City and Kamas. Secondary road followed by dirt / gravel road for 24 miles than 8 mile driveway. Road closed in winter except for snowmobiles. Thinking they want me close enough to watch the kids yet far enough not to be in-their-hair. I like the idea.

 
#26
Podunker
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 10:17 PM EDT

Have a wonderful vacation, Jeremy. Be safe and make a lot of great memories for yourself and your friends and/or family. And don’t do anything Tsao would not do.

 
#27
Chet
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 9:54 AM EDT

Ron, that’s some beautiful country. I’m usually a little farther south. I need to head up that way.

 
#28
Ron
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 11:37 AM EDT

Not to be too dramatic, but everywhere I’ve been in Utah is pretty amazing. Imagine being one of the first to run into Bryce Canyon or Arches or Grand Staircase. Probably was one of those ‘nobody will believe this back home’.

 
#29
Chet
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 1:31 PM EDT

Couldn’t agree more. One of my favorite places. You can be in Moab, drive 20 minutes to a place that looks like the Grand Canyon (Canyonlands NP), go just outside of town to Arches NP, or in between to Dean Horse Point SP and look down into a canyon at the Colorado River, or drive for 40 minutes to leave the 100 degree desert and be in the snow capped San Juan Mountains.

Telluride and the rest of the Western Slope of Colorado is not far. I’ve got a friend that teaches at Utah State in Logan. I think I need to visit.

I’m seriously thinking of moving to the area, especially with the recent coup down here that rendered elections virtually meaningless. At least out there I’d be in the minority in losing an election. In NC the majority loses…badly.

 
#30
Ron
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 3:02 PM EDT

Granddaughter goes to Southern Utah in Cedar City. Another nice area.

Be interesting to see if the northern counties in Colorado are successful in creating another state. Believe a couple of counties in Kansas & Wyoming have expressed interest in joining them. I give them credit for trying.

 
#31
Chet
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 8:33 PM EDT

Never happen. Western North Carolina has tried to create the State of Franklin for 200 years.

Joke from when I lived around Denver…what do you call someone from Kansas?

Coloradans..

 
#32
Ron
Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 7:55 AM EDT

Chet. I see in the news that one city in Colorado is interested in provding hunting license specific for drone hunting. City will offer a bounty to any properly licensed person who shoots down a drone. Probably not the place to learn how to parasail or recreational parachute.

I can see issues similar to Florda’s Stand-Your-Ground law.

 
#33
Chet
Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 11:20 AM EDT

In two years, maybe less, I’ll bet the same city will be flying it’s own drones. But their intentions will be strictly honorable, I’m sure.

While I support the idea, in spirit, spending the next 10 years sitting naked in solitary while getting hosed down before each interrogation might take some of the fun out of it.

I yearn for the good old days when civil disobedience didn’t land one in the Gulag. I even vaguely remember voting to end that kind of stuff.

 
#34
Chet
Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 11:38 AM EDT

Yeah, I’ll bet that same city has there own drone by next year.

While I support the idea, in spirit, sitting naked in solitary getting hosed down before each interrogation session would probably take all the fun out of it.

I miss the good old days when civil disobedience just got you a fine and a visit from Phil Donahue instead of being sent to a Gulag. I thought we had an election that was supposed to end that sort of thing. I’m certain I voted. That was when North Carolina still let everyone vote.

 
#35
Chet
Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 11:39 AM EDT

“their own drone”

 
#36
Chet
Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 11:52 AM EDT

Ron, I get nightly email listing of properties in SW Colorado, mostly around Montezuma County. It’s close to Cortez, Durango, Mesa Verde NP, Telluride, and about an hour from Moab, UT, etc.

It’s still pretty affordable.

I just looked at a fairly new 3/2 cabin on 40 acres with a mountain backdrop for $240,000. The biggest problem is that I love my current place and the kids are nearby. I’d love to have 40 acres to go bombing around on the dirtbike, though.

It has rained every @(&#^%#ing day for the last two months here. If it’s permanent climate change I have GOT to go. If it’s a one season aberration I’ll be glad when it ends.

I tried the 2nd home thing for a while (Destin, FL). It just not worth it and you feel obligated to go to the same place on all your vacations. Sold it BW (before ‘W’) and made a ton of cash, though.

If I get a place out there I think I’d have to just commit to living there full time.

Are you living in Utah full time, right now?

 


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