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  • Punjab says:

    I just don’t understand. I mean, I get that Wisconsin got hot, and we had some bounces and calls not go our way when the game was still close, but this team doesn’t even resemble itself from one half to the next. It’s not just shooting or play calling or intensity or defense or lineups. It’s all of the above. And it’s not like we haven’t seen this before. It’s not like this team can be stunned that it couldn’t coast with a double digit lead. I highly doubt the coaching staff doesn’t remind them what happened with NW, or PSU, or Minn, or Purdue. It’s not a surprise that the other team comes out with adjustments and more intensity after halftime. But why can’t we match it? I just don’t understand.

  • Punjab says:

    And before anybody jumps on the “oh sure, blame it on the refs” train, I thought the officiating was fine. No egregious calls, just typical home court advantage in the Big Ten. It was a close call, but if it’s at Assembly Hall, Will probably gets fouled on that rebound and Dekker doesn’t get a 3-point play. That– along with the 11-2 run to start the second half– ends up being the second turning point, and UW didn’t look back. That’s just the way it goes. Not bad calls. They just didn’t go our way, as they rarely do in the road. Unfortunately, this team isn’t equipped to handle it.

    I guess it really boils down to mental toughness, and this team has not fared well when faced with adversity. The cheeks tighten when they feel it slipping away, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That’s all I can come up with. Damn, it sucks. This team shows so much promise to look so bad half the time.

    Side note: real classy with the N-I-T chant, Wisconsin. Can’t wait ’til you and your high seed get bounced early from the tournament. Again.

  • Geoff says:

    Maybe the most frustrating game of the year for me…

    1. Great ball-movement and player-movement in the first half, and then in the second half we stand around and pound the crap it the ball. Dakich was so right when he said we were just making it easy for UW on defense.

    2. Why is it that everyone in the world knows that we have to get Vonleh touches except Yogi? How is that there are so many possessions in the second half that he doesn’t sniff the ball? And he swishes 2 gorgeous 3-ptrs in the first half and then we can’t run anything to get him a clean look from the wing in the last 30 minutes?!

    3. I swear to god I’m not exaggerating… I could score at will against Troy Williams. He has the worst defensive posture and feet I’ve seen maybe ever. He absolutely killed us in the 2nd half. It was probably the #1 reason the momentum turned and we lost control of the game. The good news is that he can learn good habits… Lord knows its necessary. If I were Crean I would sit him in front of the big movie screen by himself, with the rest of the team a couple rows back… And then just play the cuts of him getting killed. Make him watch it over and over and over and over and over until he feels so damn guilty that he did that to his teammates.

    4. Why did it take us 26 games to implement the set we used to run to get Cody the ball at the top of the key with a flat ball screen to get him going to the hoop? Is our team really that incompetent that we can’t run simple sets? It worked great for Noah today and I think they ran it for Stan once or twice.

    5. The refs were fine, except for that wierd stretch that got UW into the bonus in the 2nd half. 3 ticky-tac fouls in 30 seconds… Didn’t play into the outcome at all, and I have no complaints. We killed ourselves tonight and needed no help from anyone else losing that game.

  • pistolpete says:

    Did Perea issue a statement of any kind? Crean must have a soft heart. Sat him for just two games, I just don’t get it..Looks to me the players are running the team..Crean is just not getting it done..The pine is the best teacher. I better quit I’m starting to get fired up.

  • TJ in Texas says:

    I have to agree with Dustin in as much CTC gets a free pass for next year BUT I think the seat gets REAL hot depending on team’s performance thru the remaining schedule…better to buy out Crean than to fire him at end of next year and risk losing 2014 recruita to transfer and 2015 recruits to decommits….fire his ass at end of this year if team’s performance doesnt improve…at least a new coach could have HI’players” in place with 2015

  • Fab5 says:

    This is what happens when you only have 3 players; 1 is done (Will has checked out and I don’t blame him), 1 wants out (Yogi appears sick of Crean and I don’t blame him), and lastly Noah probably wishes badly now he would’ve chosen any number of other schools. Like I’ve now said for 6wks, IU is in real trouble. Everyone is to blame, I started to write a longer post about how it’s almost impossible for a group of this make up and fragile demeanor to win under a coach like Crean but then I stopped cause at this pt it’s not worth it to make any more pts.

  • RAM says:

    My guess is the coach doesn’t have a soft heart and Perea will continue to pay for his mistakes. IU has the better part of two years invested in this young man. The last thing they need right now is for Perea to start thinking he needs a fresh start at another program.That would leave you with Peter Jurkin. Think about it.

  • WaltD says:

    In obtaining recruits for the future, Crean, like any coach, needs to recruit players on more than their stats in shooting 3s,free throw percentage, rebounding, vertical leap, etc. He needs to recruit players who above all have a strong work ethic, are able to focus for forty minutes, know how to sustain success, and can adapt quickly to any situation that unfolds itself on the floor. While he has recruited some very good athletes, we need players with more of these mental skills. Otherwise, we will continue to blow leads and lose games in the second half.

  • Geoff says:

    WaltD – by all accounts Crean has a solid track record of recruiting kids with a strong work ethic.

    TJ – 2014 recruits committed to Crean, and we don’t currently have any 2015 commits, but they would have committed to Crean after the conclusion of this season… So, while there may be reasons to relieve Crean from his position, I would not include those among them.

  • TJ in Texas says:

    Geoff I didnt mean to say that the recruits are reason to relieve CTC of his duties;rather the effects of recruiting woukd be the consequences of waiting til end of next year

  • Geoff says:

    TJ – gotcha…

    Here’s a question – do you think that Crean’s recruiting is going to take a nose dive in the near future? I don’t think there is any question that it is his biggest strength as a head coach. He consistently brings in top 10 classes, and has developed a sweet spot of grabbing occasional 1-&-done types surrounded by other McDonald’s AAs and top 100 recruits that will stay around for 2-4 years. It’s tough to do much better than he’s done without attracting more 1-&-done types, which I think most of the IU fanbase would freak out about.

    So back to my original question… Do you think that recruiting will be greatly impacted by the W/L record ending out this year? Do you think the run of 4 consecutive years of highly ranked classes and McD’s AA’s will end?

    Or maybe this is a case where you think he is able to recruit just as well, but it won’t matter because he won’t be able to get the most out of them…?

  • Lord of the Steadied Ship says:

    His entire success is due to Cody Zeller…His top 10 recruiting classes would be the laughing stock of the nation as the most overrated in history. Dipo would have been stuck on a bottom-dweller and victories would not have been found to pad his national attention. Crean’s W/L record without landing Zeller would have been the worst results in a half century of IU basketball.

    He’s riding the last push of a big wave created by Zeller. Instead of A-Hope projects, we should have been building every extra available spot on the bench with shooters and Indiana savvy ballers that wouldn’t care about their own “going home parties.”

    Noah is highly skilled, but he doesn’t have the inside instincts and the running the floor abilities of Zeller. We had our window of opportunity. The need to ensure his next D-Wade the dedication and minutes to evolve into a top draft pick, and the relationships with Adams to put guys on the bench that had no business being division 1 basketball players, killed our chances to hang banner six.

    He is a preacher and a charlatan(what a rarity they go hand-in-hand). He appeals to families of his recruits that place high importance on an headmaster example selling the gospel. Has anyone noticed how Cody drastically changed his Twitter page from how it appeared while playing for Crean? All the dominating glowing cross symbols are gone….as is the winning basketball. Praise thy Lord for what we had, I suppose. Forgive us our Jeff Meyer trespasses….

  • Double Down says:

    Geoff, I think it is hard to tell. Recruiting is a longer process than just one calendar year. I think if we have a similar year like this one next year, then it is possible. Probably more so because his seat would be scorching hot and kids would be afraid to commit if they believe a coaching change is a strong possibility.

    UK had a miserable year last year, but they closed the #1 recruiting class again. They’re good, but not as good as advertised this year. If UK gets knocked out of the tourney early with all that talent, I’d still find it hard to believe that Cal would see a drop off in recruiting. He’s been talking to most of these kids since they were 15. Maybe even younger. A one year dip isn’t a killer. Even though it is red meat for fan bases.

  • Double Down says:

    Noah is and will be better than Zeller. He’s 2 inches shorter and a better defender and rebounder. His offensive game is much better. Both NV and Zeller needed work in the post. Zeller gets the nod as a much better passer and better in transition. However, transition is a team thing and this team sucks in transition. Hard to see where his potential is when our guards are turning the ball over at a 30% clip.

  • TJ in Texas says:

    Geoff–I asked Dustin or Jeremy what happens IF IU loses out to end seaso and is outed first game in BIG 10 tourney ; would Fred Glass Hear the disgruntled and disappointed voices ? I think IF that happens can the rumors be quieted of unrest in B-town.Thats what will impact recruiting.I think the future of IU bsketball rests in what happens from thursday on out. Especially on National TV and in front of home crowd

  • Lord of the Steadied Ship says:

    ^Yeah, that’s Harvard. Sue me.

    And Dan Dakich is even a bigger fool than Crean. He’s the Establishment’s answer to making everything IU into on big cynical folly. And screw Alford and Stevens. Hire a man that was always loyal to cream and crimson. Don’t hire some in-law wart to those that love everything Michigan.

    I truly believe Damon Bailey’s girls high school team would have projected more pride and love for the game on the candy stripes than what went on in Madison last night.

    Tear down the pipeline. They can’t play any better ball 10 states away than they play in Indiana and the surrounding cities just across our borders. Enough with these foolish experiments to just pad Crean’s resume in his never-ending quest to claim competence simply because he can find the next NBA dark horse.

    Please bring in a coach that understands the religion of Indiana and IU is founded in glorious rediscovery of something that looks like a team playing the game we know better than any other fan base in the country.

  • Lord of the Steadied Ship says:

    A contract extension for the recruiter that has taken the candy stripes to an all-out scramble to stay out of the deepest cellars of the Big 10? The Cody party is over, folks. Knight may have thrown a chair, but since when do we enjoy giving ourselves the electric chair? When are we done paying for the Sampson sins of 3-way speed dialing? Will Dakich be ESPN’s CEO by the time we’ve decide enough is enough? I’m thinking Dan might be the Pope by the time Crean is put on the bus with Fischer, Patterson, Roth, Remy, Maurice, Capo and everyone else he ran out of town.

  • Lord of the Steadied Ship says:

    Gotta admit Crean is being loyal ’til the end to the one Hoosier that made his contract; the one kid that never stopped campaigning on behalf of IU to Zeller and for Zeller. He’s been loyal to Austin…That’s one deal that hasn’t been broken. Austin survived the scholly crunches. Who’d have thunked it? Austin Etherington starting for the Indiana Hoosiers…It almost makes me shed a Danny Moore tear.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    If these recruits care about their coach, then they better get their crap together and put 4 straight wins together.

    The way most of them are playing, they couldn’t secure a bench role on a mediocre JC team. Shouldn’t they start busting some chops for the coach that’s taking all the heat for the fact they can’t hit 10-ft. open jumpers? Time to take off the Pampers and move to training pants. Time to stop the thumb-sucking for these Hoosier freshman babies. Time play through the horrendous coaching and wing it…You are all wings, correct? Can’t you manufacture some damn points? Who taught you to shoot, Bill Cosby?

    And Yogi…Tell mommy that you’re not in Park Tudor candyland anymore. You’re at Indiana. This isn’t blue ribbons for winning Class 3A-4f tournaments. This is where Quinn Buckner and Isiah Thomas helped put up those big pretty banners that you get to use as your Twitter background. Those weren’t blue ribbons from mommy’s Crossover hits and slobber. Man up. Feed the ball to your center. Lead.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    And one more thing…Hollowell, wipe that damn pouting bad-boy look off your face. Did you ever see Dr. J. with that face? Grow the hell up. Here’s the problem…When you shoot the ball, it appears the “well” is more often capped and not a “hollow” well. Show me some splashing of the nets about 30 times over the next four games, then you can bring your Mike Tyson look to every stoppage of play…O.K.?

    My movement smells like roses compared to your contribution to the “Movement” right now. If you don’t like basketball, try angry ping pong. Play X-Box NBA games all day and throw the controller through the TV screen. Don’t waste a good scholarship on the many ways to put a pouty face on camera.

  • Harvard for Hillbillies says:

    And Sheehey…Much like your name, I’m still deciding on your sex. You got good hops…So does the Easter Bunny.

  • batman1952 says:

    I told ou five years ago the man can.t coach over rated as a recruitor, dwells on the little things that don,t mean a hell of a lot, and has snowed every one about his ability to coach. We will be mediocre as long as he,s there.

  • Geoff says:

    Batman – except he’s not overrated as a recruiter… You keep saying that, but that doesn’t make it right. I agree he’s not a great in-game coach, but he is one of the best recruiters in the country. How many other schools have signed a McDonald’s AA the last 4 years? And it’s not like we were beating out offers from Idaho or UMBC or Miami of Ohio for these other kids… They chose IU over other big time schools that also offered them scholarships.

    So if you want to have a discussion about how Crean doesn’t get the best out of blue chip recruits, then I’m all ears, but to say he is an overrated recruiter is flat out stupid and wrong.

  • Fab5 says:

    Geoff- You over value “McDonalds All Americans” and undervalue complete no name recruiting…Hartman, Hollowell, Etherington, Perea, Robinson, Jurkin should not be at IU…so he gets a couple big names, nice, but he misses badly on the routine fillers

  • Fab5 says:

    All the players I mentioned are bad players on a bad team, wouldn’t get a min on a good team, not a min on a top B1G team. Who recruited them?

    McDonalds AA is a HS reward, doesn’t guarantee NCAA success, also I think you are smart enough to know McAA is all politics, great players left off every year

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