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44 comments by   |   Monday, March 31, 2014 - 8:47 am EDT

1. HOOSIERS HQ
The Indiana women’s basketball team couldn’t keep pace with South Dakota State at the free-throw line in losing Sunday’s WNIT quarterfinal game, Mike wrote.

IU women’s coach Curt Miller got just his second technical of the season as he and the Hoosiers went down fighting Sunday, Mike wrote.

The new-look 3-4 Indiana defense is causing confusion, in a good way, so far this spring, Dustin wrote.

The best thing about Saturday’s IU football scrimmage was seeing WR Isaac Griffith on the sidelines just weeks after his swimming accident in Florida, Andy writes.

IU baseball capped a sweep at Ohio State by winning a doubleheader Sunday, we reported.

2. IT’S INDIANA
Noah Vonleh says “there was more” he could have done at Indiana and now is the time to go pro, Hector Longo of the Hutton Eagle-Tribune wrote.

Bad seasons and player departures have the heat on the big three college basketball teams in the state of Indiana, Mike Lopresti of the Indianapolis Business Journal writes.

Former Hoosier Victor Oladipo’s not getting caught up in the three-man race for NBA Rookie of the Year, Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel writes.

The ’76 Hoosiers remain college basketball’s last unbeaten team, but they don’t celebrate quite like the ’72 Dolphins, Phil Richards of the Indianapolis Star wrote.

3. BIG TEN COUNTRY
Anthony Lee believes if he had been a Buckeye this past season, Ohio State would still be playing, so he’s going to join OSU next year, Ari Wasserman of the Cleveland Plain Dealer writes.

Michigan has no regrets after Sunday’s loss to Kentucky, and the Wolverines proved last year’s Final Four was no flash in the pan, Nick Baumgardner of MLive.com writes.

Michigan State coach Tom Izzo stuck with Keith Appling, but was not rewarded in a loss to UConn Sunday, Mike Griffith of MLive.com writes.

Going to the Final Four is extra special for Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan, who will be going without his late father for the first time, Zach Rastall of the Daily Cardinal wrote.

4. ONE FOR THE ROAD
For Noah Vonleh, “More Than Words” from Extreme.

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44 comments:
#1
coachv
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 10:25 AM EDT

and there you have it. vonleh says crean held him back. there was more he could do. zeller said the same thing, that crean wouldn’t let him shoot from outside. probably had a lot to do with fischer leaving as well. even if these guys were inclined to stay another year why would they? they are not being developed into better players by crean. just like oladipo, this article reinforces that these players are making themselves better through their own workouts, not crean.

the word is getting out and I think recruiting is going to drop off.

 
#2
TJ in Texas
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 10:57 AM EDT

I agree with your supposition Coach;nothing travels faster than the words of Twitter.Noah ,and many others like him, know the potential recruits from playing AAU ball with them;IM afraid you are right about recruiting

 
#3
TJ in Texas
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 11:07 AM EDT

Vonleh got the most out of his year at Indiana on court, in spite of some real restrictions placed on his game by Crean.<<<< From Noah's Hometown Newspaper. Like i said in a another post: Some freshmen grow and develope( I'll have to check the films on that)and others just tread water.Those looking for improvements from last year freshmen…take warning: Vonleh just told you the reason for unhappy "playing" environment

 
#4
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 11:47 AM EDT

Vonleh got the most out of his year at Indiana on court, in spite of some real restrictions placed on his game by Crean.

The Big-10 Conference Freshman of the Year was forced into the center spot, despite his uncanny athletic ability that could potentially land him on the wing at the next level.

a. He received Big 10 Freshman of the Year…Hell of an honor for being “held back.”
b. Fischer left. Did Crean have much choice other than to more narrowly define Vonleh’s role as primarily in the post? There was no strong backup to expand his role.
c. Of course, the hometown paper piece, written by a guy that had a 15-year-old Noah work with his RAC team, is going to think Noah is the god’s gift to the NBA world.
d. You could just as easily blame Zeller for having Noah’s game limited. How was Noah to know that Zeller would go pro and Fischer would quit the team? If Cody stays, Noah could have likely played more of a similar role to Watford. He would have been on a team that had banner potential.
e. These kids chasing their dreams is fine and dandy. But his actions will effect those coming in next year. It will change roles and effect overall team performance. You can’t put all of that on the coach. Cody was not ready for the NBA. Somebody wants to throw money at him and he can’t turn it down. But to think that Fischer’s decision and Cody’s decision didn’t have consequences on Vonleh’s ability to expand into wider roles and freedoms on the court is very naive from this agenda-driven hometown author.

Watch “Survive and Advance,” Noah…Listen to Ralph Sampson explain his reasons for staying in college and not becoming a Boston Celtic after freshman year…then sophomore year…and then junior year. There’s more to life than just exploring your own potential..There’s a funny thing called team and brothers. Funny thing is…? You look a bit like Sampson.

 
#5
Podunker
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 1:11 PM EDT

Wow, talk about taking a small innocuous bit of information and using it to support your biased narrative! “and there you have it.” And there you have what? That’s just ridiculous.

I was not and am not real happy with Tom Crean’s performance this past year. But I try to maintain some level of objectivity on the subject of his ability as a coach. For every story like this, where you can point to some vague comment to support your opinion about Tom Crean, I can find entire interviews, with people like VO and other successful NBA pros, where these men go on record in praising Tom Crean for how he helped them develop into the players they are.

Anybody remember the old joke about the only person who could hold Michael Jordan under 20 points a game was Dean Smith? I’m quite sure MJ felt that Smith, one of the legends of college basketball, held him back during his days at UNC. But college basketball is about the team’s achievement, not the individual’s achievement.

I think Vonley is an outstanding young man and a great basketball talent. But the article makes it clear that his plan from day one was to go to the NBA and grab the money as soon as possible. I doubt he would have gone to college had the ridiculous one-and-done rule not been in affect. Nothing wrong with that. Adults should be free to pursue their dreams. And I have no doubt that as the most gifted player on IU’s team, with a lot of confidence in his skills, Vonleh would feel that he could have “done more” and that his coaches held him back. What player of his ability and stature would not feel that way. But that has nothing to do with why he’s going pro. And it’s absurd to use that comment to support your opinion that Tom Crean can’t develop talent. That may be a legitimate opinion, but using this article to support it is such a reach that it was absurd.

Tom Crean Derangement Syndrome will continue to afflict a small percentage of IU fans until Crean either wins a Championship or moves on to another school. In the mean time, those who suffer from this malady will continue to post ever more absurd statements in their desperate need to express their disdain for IU’s coach.

There is so much wrong with the story referenced above, I don’t have time to comment on all of it. But it speaks to the need to abolish the one-and-done rule and so much more.

And for all you TCDS sufferers, I found it interesting and ironic that Ryan, Wisconsin’s highly successful and heralded coach has finally lead his team to a final four. Yes, in all the year’s Ryan has been in charge of Wisconsin basketball, and all the success he has had there, this is the first time a Ryan coached team has made it to the final four. Just think, if Wisconsin’s administrators applied the same standards and expectations to Ryan as some IU fans apply to Crean, Wisconsin would have fired Ryan years ago. Ridiculous!

 
#6
Swish
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 2:10 PM EDT

Bo Ryan has a 73% winning %, 321 and 120. In 13 seasons he has had 8 20-win seasons and 3 30-win seasons and 2 19-win seasons. That is why he was able to stay.

 
#7
TJ in Texas
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 2:44 PM EDT

H4H some of what your wrote is just plain horsemanure. Vonleh was acknowledged best talent coming into Big10 when he signed LOI.His “freshman of the Year” was a default award. only way he WASNT going to win that was trip over his shoelaces and break an ankle.Yes,Crean could have done more to develope Vonleh;dont see a nyone crying about Payne or Kaminski playing post and shooting 3′s.MAYBE had he allowed Vonleh to move outside more frequently ,others MAY have found a reason to MOVE instead of being Models for potrait painters

 
#8 Monday, March 31, 2014 - 2:46 PM EDT

Ironically I know Pat Badger, not well… but well enough to have him in my celly.

Harvard – good call with UK. I won’t say great, because they were always super-talented, but you did recognize their ability to navigate a very difficult path to the FF when I thought they would lose to WSU.

Also, Harvery… Pretty pumped about this coming Sunday… I have a men’s league playoff game and will be matched up head-to-head with Ronald Nored. It will be interesting to see how far out I’ll be willing to shoot. Kid can really defend. Unfortunately he’s got 3 other recent D1 grads on his team and big that just came back from Euroball, so I have a feeling we’re going to get whooped. Still will be fun to go heads up against a guy I watched from the stands in a NC game. I’ll definitely be wearing my Butler T-shirt from that night under my jersey to try to soften him up a bit.

 
#9
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 4:38 PM EDT

Don’t forget that I also thought this was the year that Bo Ryan would finally break through. Didn’t I say that? I’ve tried to locate the old post…I’ve searched high and low and can’t seem to find it..?

Ronald Nored..? Is he the guy from Naked Gun? “Must kill Nored…Must kill Nored…Must kill Nored….Must kill Nored.”

 
#10
WaltD
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 4:53 PM EDT

Good post, Podunker. Appreciate your effort to challenge bloggers who, in many cases, have lost their objectivity.

 
#11
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 6:23 PM EDT

Another tribute to the new baseball season and the numerous opening days for MLB all across this great country

Nielsen was such fun…a real comedic genius.

 
#12
Fab5
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 6:38 PM EDT

LOL COACHV LOL- Cody was not, is not, will not, be a good shooter. It takes 3 mins of watching him to realize that. Tired of people acting like Cody was potentially a Ryan Anderson or Steve Novak type. His form for how athletic he is, is awful, and it’s a glorified set shot that would get rejected regularly if he wasn’t 7′. Cody had terrible habits that form when you play podunk local hs ball. He should’ve followed in the steps of the Plumlee family, also an IN family, who sent all 3 of their boys to a competitive prep school to play ball…it’s no surprise the 3 Plumlees would destroy the 3 Zellers any day.

 
#13
Fab5
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 6:52 PM EDT

To all the hoop heads who keep typing “yada yada wasn’t/isn’t ready for the NBA” hope you realize how wrong you sound. No one is “ready” for the nba, they all get ready. It’s like saying a hs freshman isn’t ready for hs. Or a college frosh isn’t ready for college. Of course they aren’t ready to dominate and won’t be at their best for a few years, but are they ready to begin the process? YES. No 22 yr old is ready to play against a 35 yr old man, Vonleh staying and learning two more post moves won’t help him when he’s a rookie and Dwight sends his shot into the 12th row. Or Aldridge abuses him for 40. It’d happen now or even if he stayed 3 more seasons. Nba players are elite, you aren’t learning how to out craft them. You are either capable of playing at that level or you aren’t. And either way you learn while there. Should Vic have stayed 1 more yr at IU to “get even more ready”? No. Vonleh will be fine. Cody at his best should attempt to be Nick Collison. Although Cody would prefer to play pg for his local church youth group than play another min in the nba.

 
#14 Monday, March 31, 2014 - 6:53 PM EDT

Come on Harvard, you love players like Nored. He was Butler’s version of Remy Abell.

 
#15 Monday, March 31, 2014 - 6:54 PM EDT

@ #13, well said Fab

 
#16
Podunker
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 7:14 PM EDT

Swish, according to some of Crean’s critics, a good winning percentage is meaningless, or at least secondary. To these people, it’s all about hanging banners in Assembly Hall, or at least getting to the final four every other year. According to Crean’s critics, if you can’t achieve that level of success at IU after six or seven years, you obviously can’t coach, you obviously can’t develop talent, and now the latest claim is that the talent you’ve been recruiting will stop coming to Bloomington. It’s absurd.

Here’s a little stat for you. In the last three seasons, Crean’s winning percentage is .702! And that includes the subpar 2013/2014 season with a 17-15 record! Crean took Marquette to the final four about ten years ago. He’s lead IU to back-to-back sweet 16′s, IU’s first outright Big Championship in decades, and his teams have defeated more top-ten teams over the last three seasons than any other team in college basketball. But to his critics, Crean still can’t coach.

Two things contribute to the Tom Crean Derangement Syndrome. First, some people invest too much in the hype associated with High School basketball recruits. To that extent, Crean may be a victim of his own success in recruiting. People hear about “The Solution” and automatically think IU has signed the talent necessary to win a couple of Championships. When the team infused with four top-rated High School players fails to win it all, it can’t be that the talent was overrated or has not matured yet, it must be a coaching problem. Secondly, people fail to remember just how devastated IU Basketball was the day Crean took over as head coach. The cupboards were bare! Players he inherited had amassed 19 F’s in school and were going to flunk out of college. The half life of the fallout left over from a decade (or more) of mismanagement and neglect by IU’s top administrators and Trustees, and it goes back well before Sampson was hired, lasts a lot longer and takes a lot more work to repair than most people realize. In other words, what a lot of people my age once took for granted, that being IU Basketball’s prowess and tradition as a top College Basketball program, was in critical condition. If you doubt that, just look at all the Indiana High School basketball talent that chose to sign with schools other than IU over the last 10 to 15 years. Think about the vacuum that IU’s mismanagement and neglect of its basketball program created and how that vacuum was filled by the likes of MSU, OSU, MI, WI, KY, and Louisville during a period of at least ten years. How many Athletic Directors did IU go through in the decade before Fred Glass was hired? Here’s a news flash for some of you folks, IU’s Athletic Department was a joke for about 12 years before Glass took over, and the most visible victim of that neglect and mismanagement was IU basketball. There’s a reason why IU had to offer a ten year contract in order to attract qualified candidates just to interview for the job.

 
#17
coachv
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 7:33 PM EDT

why inhell would anyone want to remain objective in discussing crean’s shortcomings as a coach? objectivity is for people who don’t know anything about the subject at hand.

 
#18
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 8:06 PM EDT

Talking of 19 F’s and bare cupboards seven years into the job at Indiana speaks volumes of those with the obvious deficiency syndrome…It’s the crutch that keeps on giving. Every year Crean can’t get it done, shows his continued complete lack of competence in game-planning/in-game crazy weird substitutions/halftime adjustments, it’s simply back to Kelvin and 19 F’s.

This is the epitome of a losers mentality. It’s making your own endless excuse based on aiming at others that failed rather than moving ahead in determined and classier fashion in the mold of true winners.

 
#19
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 9:03 PM EDT

And no potential one-and-done seems to be “ready” to put their team on their back, stay in school, develop as a team that may not be solely reliant on a roster full of NBA prospects, and build something more than a castle of personal fortune.

Listen to Jerry West speak of how long it takes to get these one-and-done children still in their diapers(in terms of leadership and maturity factors) to truly become a talent to build a team around.

And so the hell what if you’re as ready as anyone else that’s getting the opportunity? I hope you realize how zombie and uninspiring you sound. Basketball is not golf. It’s a team game being destroyed by selfish desires. Hey, here’s and idea. Be unique. Beat to your own drum…Be a Ralph Sampson and risk it all for team and chance at memories that come in the pursuit of true greatness found in a team with a vision. Maybe enjoy college. Maybe not act like your god almighty and simply taking the millions because you’re doing it for family and everyone else from the “tree” of your life. Maybe make a tree from the roots of a team. Maybe be the trunk of a banner run…Maybe give it the ol’ college try rather spread your own wings in your reserved plot of sky.

Yeah, tell us what we don’t already know. We’ve held you back…Oh, thank you so much for sacrificing your growth for poor ol’ Indiana. What complete BS. Give me a kid with some actual nuts in his sack that’s willing to fight for more than his own bucket of gold.

One day we’ll land a kid on a different mission. One ready from day one to seek the banner rather than the bus to riches Someone that will instill the same hunger in teammates and will take every ounce his desire to get it done. This will not be a gentle giant. This will not be someone that eats up the “crutch” mentality of a “me” world first always searching out other wrongdoers and villains to satisfy their eyes staring in the mirror.

Indiana no longer has warriors. We don’t have them at the coaching level or the players we’re bringing in. We have whiners that complain how enough wasn’t done for them. Here’s an idea. Shut the hell up and win. Shut the hell up when the cookie crumbles…Sweep up the pieces and fight again rather than cry over it for seven years. Cody was soft. Vonleh was soft. Oladipo was soft. They were impotent in their fortitude to do something special for Indiana. I guess they were ready for the NBA….They were ready to be stuck in the same level of selfish indifference they brought to Indiana.

We were merely a whore stop on the road to their glory.

 
#20
Fab5
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 9:22 PM EDT

Harv your view point is selfish. If you like those incredibly fake scenes you paint please watch Remember the Titans, Rudy and Hoosiers. You simply gloss over the past and curse the present. Your glory days that you are recalling are selectively remembered. The present isn’t so bad. IU blows and it’s because of Thomas Creanus’ lack of coaching ability. He is the exact dude you just waxed poetically about: an underachiever, a nobody, a dreamer, in over his head, gave it a college try,etc etc. now he’s here, you don’t like him. He is someone, we all know them, who dreamed big, his buddies wonder “can he really do this?” and they’re shocked when he does. However he might’ve out reached by a rung or 10. He’d be a great NAIA coach, or hs jv.

 
#21
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 9:25 PM EDT

Well said…?

Well said “go get your own water because you don’t appreciate mine.”

And there’s plenty of “well said” on here that is infected with the weakness of lost passion for what Indiana has not achieved in nearly 30 years. If it’s not the coach seeking excuses for something that happened seven years ago, it’s players seeking excuses for what Indiana couldn’t give them. Indiana didn’t do all that badly when Vonleh was on the bench with his foot injury. And it was done without a viable replacement approaching anything looking like Division 1 post player.

John Wall was a hero at UK for a couple years after he graduated..Then came the banners…Then came more talent and more banners. And now nobody cares anymore.

Once Indiana gets that next banner, these prima donnas that think they represent Indiana “being back” will look like worn out stained carpeting. Nobody care. And their life will be short in the NBA. And there will be no reunions in Bloomington in 25 years…They will be dust in the wind and their names will be forgotten.

It’s only the teams we remember. It’s the team that makes the names on the roster immortal.

 
#22
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 9:40 PM EDT

And for all of Crean’s pretentious preaching and excuse making, maybe there is still that silly naivety to admire.

I admire his relentless blind faith in himself and his vision. I actually sometimes believe he will get it done. I may be buying in. Maybe it’s a faith in Indiana more than those he’s thus recruited.

Maybe Geoff and others were right. It’s often just the luck of the draw in the tournament. If Syracuse wasn’t in our pathway two season’s ago, we’d likely have that sixth banner. And I’m not totally sure if Michigan loses to UK if they’d had McGary on Sunday. For whatever Morgan brought to help against Tennessee, McGary may have been the better answer against the intimidation of talent and beasts on the offensive boards in a game against Kentucky. So much of tournament success is so random and rooted in match-ups and who’s more mentally prepared on the given night.

 
#23
Harvard for Hillbillies
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 9:48 PM EDT

And I’m pretty sure that ‘viewpoint’ is one word(not that I’m an expert). It’s surely not as bad as saying ‘hog wash’ instead of ‘hogwash.’

 
#24
coachv
Monday, March 31, 2014 - 11:54 PM EDT

it’s not just Syracuse we have to worry about. did anyone notice how often big ten teams went to zone defense against us if we were doing well against them, especially later in the season?

 
#25
steve
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 12:34 AM EDT

I hope crean gets it done but I have a friend like him who has been going to make it big for twenty years on sales deals. He still has yet to make the big deal but still talks it up and it gets old. Luck of the draw playing syracuse? Maybe but we werent playing well anyway. We got taken out by wisconsin in the btt and barely beat temple. We might of won another game but no way were we playing good enough to win a sixth banner. That is crazy talk imo.

 
#26
TsaoTsuG
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 1:39 AM EDT
 
#27
TJ in Texas
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 11:16 AM EDT

Believe it or not I AM an IU fan;that being said I have little confidence in CTC as a coach based on the turnover/game never changed from beginning to end.Some games there were flashes of growth in the freshmen.What we talk about here is JUST the tip of the iceberg.The “iceberg” is what the Tweets and conversations take place this summer on the A circuit.Dismiss Noah’s hometown newspaper all you want ,or Lopresti’s article in Indianapolis star.The warning IN trying to voice is that “Perception is reality”.A man once said IF you tell a big enough lie long enough ,people will believe it. Its those perceptions that should and do worry CTC,hence the Chicago Interview and Glass’s speech to rotary.Still the iceberg is the AAU circuit and the “perceptions” talked about amongst recruiting targets

 
#28
Unofficial Meteorologist
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 11:21 AM EDT

TJ,

We’re aware of your disdain you have for CTC. We get it. You’re very adamant about it. Can we please move on? Glad you’re a fan.

 
#29
Double Down
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 2:56 PM EDT

I guess this is what we have to look forward to until kick-off for IUFB: the Great Crean Debate. Or, Waxing Wroth Over Tom Crean.

This is internet tribalism at its finest. Identify with your side and get the pitchforks and torches out to burn the heretics who refuse to see things as you do. Some people really don’t care about the actual basketball being played. Everything that happens on the court is just more evidence in support of your conclusion, which will be defended at all costs. It is an endless circle of arguing that can never have a conclusion.

Why? Because your tribe is some kind of idealized Utopia there is nothing wrong and everything is in perfect harmony. Just like a video game, if you push the right buttons and do the right moves, banner number 6, 7, 8 , 9 will fall into place. If these folks did care about the actual basketball being played, they’d see a greater commonality between their fellow fans. Utopian thinking is just idealization, followed by finger-pointing, whining and obsession.

Orwell nailed it:

“Nearly all creators of Utopia have resembled the man who has toothache, and therefore thinks happiness consists in not having toothache…. Whoever tries to imagine perfection simply reveals his own emptiness.”

For those whose tribal obsession are paramount, they can’t see the fans in the middle who have varying degrees of criticism and support for Tom Crean. I’ve steered away from commenting in response because anything I say will be categorized as “Supporter” or “Opposition.” These discussion are so dull because they don’t go anywhere. It is just about revealing your identity.

I will reveal my third way position yet again–which will be acceptable to only a few. Tom Crean has a lot to prove and in order to realize success, he has a lot of areas where he needs to grow. He’s not my cup of tea as a personality. He seems a little humorless and the excessive expression of his evangelicalism on Twitter, while genuine and well-intentioned, comes across as simplistic and even a little childish. It alienates a good portion of the people that are rooting for him and Indiana to succeed. But I don’t find it offensive nor does it make me upset.

But I respect the hell of out of someone who’s done what he did. Dogged determination is a severe deficit in today’s culture. He’s earned some slack from me. Some of you reveal your confirmation bias in believing that a monkey could have gotten IU back on track after the ruins it was left in. As someone who was fortunate enough to be part of a team that turned a smoldering mess into a shiny trophy in the business world, I know how hard it is, especially with cameras and millions of people watching your every step. Crean made that happen and he has earned the right to see what else he’s got to bring a championship home to Bloomington.

 
#30
Podunker
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 5:16 PM EDT

Double Down; BRAVO! #29 is extremely well written. And you summarized my feelings about Crean better than I could. Not pleased with some aspects of his performance as IU’s coach, but I believe he has earned the right to continue for a while longer. And since I’m being honest, that summarizes the way I felt about Bob Knight, who I’ve had the pleasure of meeting on three occasions and who I believe was the best college basketball coach of all time. As much as I admired him, loved what he accomplished and respected his enormous ability, there were many times when I found his behavior, both on and off the court, to be grossly inappropriate, downright stupid and embarrassing.

The question is not whether Tom Crean is the ideal coach for IU basketball, the question is whether de deserves more time to get the program where we all want it to be. To me, the answer is yes, because given what he has done for our beloved IU Basketball program, he has earned the benefit of the doubt for a couple more years.

 
#31
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 5:20 PM EDT

I would like to respond, but Jeremy must be at White Castle again.

Did you get the TH certificate? I’ve asked Dustin repeatedly, but I guess he’s mad about something..Can you please let me know…I think they may have pulled a fast one on me.

 
#32
Hoosier Clarion
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 5:41 PM EDT

It is to our fortune Jeremy likes the White Castle 1/16 pounders.

 
#33
Double Down
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 5:42 PM EDT

BTW, to complete my thought, this season stunk and revealed many of Crean’s weaknesses. I think a warm seat is a good thing. Hopefully it makes him better, but that’s up to him. I think writing twenty posts a day complaining about it is excessive and weird.

The quest for the ideal coach is metaphorical. It projects this fantasy of “If only we had this guy, we’d definitely win it all.” That doesn’t imply that I don’t think there are coaches out there who are better.

Hate on the coach all you want. Subjecting everyone to having to read through it in every single post/story goes from being constructive to obsessive.

In other words “zzzzzzzzzzzzz…..”

 
#34
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 6:17 PM EDT

He’ll be going into his seventh year at IU. He still talks of 19 F’s when interviewed. Now that’s what I would call a serious mental block…(Talk about “obsessive?”). I believe his over-signing and scholly crunches revealed a truth very early on. Those were the symptoms of what we’re witnessing currently. Now we scramble for quality depth in the post position and none can be found.

Respect from within is eroding. There is a point when young me want to believe in more than the sermons and the old villains. They want knowledge of the game and something they can get measurable results/satisfaction beyond the preachy “because” speeches and the constant blow of what was “decimated.”

I tend to believe what is being revealed in locker rooms and chalkboards doesn’t have a lot of “middle ground.” Faith is so much more powerful when it can surrounded with the ingredients of knowledge…Young men need something of a finished product to sink their teeth into…They need confidence in tools to get to a destination based in more than conviction from podiums. They need simple answers to simple problems to develop as a team. When the continual theme is too heavy(the broad statements of “not getting it”…”it’s a process”….you’ve got to know where this program was”….”you wrecked the program”…etc, etc, etc, In other words…”zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”), you begin to lose young fertile minds that need something substantive with identifiable rewards for their investment.

There’s a point in the classroom where you want the tools. I think the eyes of the students are beginning to shift around…They’re looking at each other with troubled doubt in their thoughts that can be read in their expressions. They’re whispering in the hallway that you’re better off taking that class with a different instructor. Young people are a lot smarter than most of us. Even when blinded by faith and fiction, the lights soon turn on. They want balance. They won’t shortchange what they can learn at the expense of what they want so dearly to believe.

 
#35
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 6:18 PM EDT

There is a point when young [men]…..

 
#36
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 7:15 PM EDT

As someone who was fortunate enough to be part of a team that turned a smoldering mess into a shiny trophy in the business world, I know how hard it is…..,

 
#37
Podunker
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 8:24 PM EDT

Double Down; you’re on a hot streak.

HforH, Crean only references the 19 F’s when he’s asked the question (by reporters) about the extent of the mess he found upon arriving at IU. And that’s the point. People outside of Bloomington and the IU faithful need to understand just how damaged the program was when he took over and how far it has come since. We can all agree that it’s not back to where we want it, that Crean is not the best coach in college basketball, that he has lots of flaws, and that he may not be the guy we want in charge after his contract expires, but we should at least acknowledge that none of us can appreciate just how bad the mess he inherited really was. And for that, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Another, more practical way to put it is this; given where IU basketball was when he arrived on scene, no one can justify IU shelling out $8 to $12 million dollars to buy out Crean’s contract two years early. So getting rid of him now is not in IU’s best interests. If people understand and accept that, why, as Double Down asks, would anyone continue to post comments calling for Crean’s immediate termination? It’s just inane fantasy.

 
#38
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 9:40 PM EDT

And he needs to tell the reporters that it’s no longer relevant and he prefers to move forward. And the interviewers I’ve heard do not ask for any response to a question about the specifics he inherited…They are merely offering a statement in the form of a compliment that Indiana was not in ideal shape. Of course, they have their own agenda and are wanting to hear the same old garbage…Crean is like Pavlov’s dog when it comes to this stuff. The interviewer likely loves to ring the dinner bell because they also never want to stop harping on the evil Kelvin and his thugs that “wrecked” the program. It’s Crean that is being interviewed..He can stop them in their tracks and simply say that it’s time to move on to a new chapter. Then again, maybe his brain isn’t capable of doing anything but automatic “you wrecked the program” responses…He isn’t obligated to talk of 19 F’s or grab the crutches simply because it’s the easy excuse the interviewer is serving him on silver platter/mutt bowl.

Seven years…He had top classes…He had the Movement. He had one of the best centers in the country commit to the team for two years. The Cody fortunes of happenstance are gone. And some Hoosier fans are dumb enough to go back to ringing the dog bell so Crean bark out some more decimation talk.

We have no legit post player at Indiana University…? You would think that would be enough for some to wake up and smell the coffee. If you wanted a coach immediately, I doubt you get any takers under the current deficiencies(including a team that couldn’t even get into the NIT). If you’re smart, you change coaches while you still have some belief and some talent. It’s a tough business. It’s Indiana. It’s a school you need to produce. This isn’t IU football we’re talking about. This isn’t where mediocrity should be the norm.

 
#39
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 9:58 PM EDT

There’s a lot of fantasy on here…There’s the fantasy of some that believe quickly blaming/axing a defensive coordinator will reverse decades of top recruits looking at Indiana Football as a second rate program not worthy to really exist in the same conference as OSU, Michigan, MSU, Penn State, Minnesota, Nebraska.

I can accept their football fantasies. Maybe you can start accepting mine..I have this fantasy that a basketball program even with zero history and zero banners sitting smack in the middle a state that produces so much top talent in the sport shouldn’t be looking up at Nebraska. I don’t care who wrecked the program for a couple years. Crean has experimented by stretching his recruiting far beyond the borders. He has made the decision to bring in A-Hope projects…All the while, I watch guys like Irvin, Dawson, McGary, Lyles, Harris, and many, many, more seek to play elsewhere.

This is simply because of a 3-way caller from seven years ago. Crean is responsible for his choices and his recruiting. When Zeller committed, he had every opportunity to build strong relationships with the talent and coaches right in his backyard. You don’t think there’s a problem when we see so many Indiana kids playing in the Elite 8 that didn’t want to wear a Hoosier uniform? You want to fall back on what happened seven years ago to explain that?

There are whispers in the hallway, Podunker. You can have your fantasies and I shall have mine.

 
#40
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 10:13 PM EDT

And there should have been clauses in his extensions where failure to make any postseason tournament would shorten the length and amount of any buyout…And you call men like Glass savvy businessmen? You just throw millions without any clauses that reinforce the idea of results mattering. I can understand the guarantees for the first three to four years. But to throw money in the millions on contract extensions that allow for sitting on thumbs and checks will still be signed? Now that’s a great gig.

I guess I am naive…I actually think there are excellent coaches in this country that would give some early millions to coach IU tomorrow. They would probably equally reduce their pay seasonally over the next five years(enough to cover 1/2 of Crean’s buyout)to simply get the chance of a lifetime opportunity to coach a once storied program sitting in a talent hotbed. And when they complimented their rosters by going outside that hotbed of Indiana prime b-ball talent, I doubt they would fill the bench with choirboy walk-on’s and extremely raw projects that grew up on soccer.

 
#41
Price the Magnificent
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 10:21 PM EDT

It all started with Greenspan who extended Crean’s contract with two years before he coached a single game. Then came the savvy businessman with the other extension. Without these two dingbats Crean’s contract would have been up right now.

 
#42
Pulitzer Price
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 10:27 PM EDT

No reason to pay the buyout. Crean should resign.

Have you heard Izzo saying: “I failed to prepare adequately my team for this game” after his loss to UConn? Did you ever hear Crean say anything similar after a loss? He never takes any kind of responsibility. The only thing he takes is … money (from IU).

 
#43
Harvard for Hillbillies
Tuesday, April 1, 2014 - 10:28 PM EDT

Maybe that’s the problem…? Maybe we have some weak assistants on the bench. We all know that the only reason Crean brought in McClain was a desperation move to put another project, Guy Marc-Michel, in a Hoosier uniform. How many top basketball players are you going to get from Wyoming or Idaho?

Has Crean fired anyone? Nope. They only leave once they start to hear the whispers. He tried to bring in Calbert so he could have the Knight reunion party. Didn’t work. Knight won’t even step foot on McCracken for a ’87 reunion and the Calbert handshake. Cheaney smelled the truth a couple chairs down from Crean(not that he couldn’t have kept the job). He went to seek a place where the game is actually still taught. Having a guy around like Calbert certainly didn’t hurt maintaining some confidence in local recruits having faith in the coaching abilities propping up what the “Master from Marquette” lacks.

 
#44
Podunker
Thursday, April 3, 2014 - 8:26 PM EDT

“He had top classes…He had the Movement.” That’s an obvious contradiction in terms.

Part of the problem is that too many people buy-in to the hype about these recruiting classes. The Movement was obviously not one of the best recruiting classes in the country.

But your comments imply that Crean did not accomplish anything. His team won the outright Big Ten Championship last year. They made it to the sweet 16! That’s obviously not enough for some IU fans, but it’s not nothing. And that team got beat in the NCAA tourney by a team coached by one of the winningest coaches in NCAA history.

There’s no way IU’s top eight players last year were as good or as experienced as Syracuse’s top eight players. Our top two were better, but after that, we were outmanned. And our best outside shooter had an injured shoulder and our point guard was a freshmen. Yes, we may have also been out coached, but a lot of coaches experience that after playing Syracuse. JB is one of the best ever, and yet he has only won one Championship. Coach K is also one of the best ever, he get’s “top classes” every year, and he lost to a school no one has ever heard of in the first round this year.

Apparently TCDS eliminates rational thought and one’s ability to maintain a perspective.

 


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